The Four Gospels

[Iosias]

See what you make of the above.

 

[Ebb]

Just like the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all one gospel, these gospels referred to in the chart are all one gospel. To try to put an artificial separation in these gospels as some do, it is like trying to put Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John against each other. We know they are not contradictory, but complimentary, and are the same gospel.

 

[Terral]

Hi Av:

I am very proud of you for giving us this drawing. Larkin appears to have good sight on the gospels of our NT. We disagree on the gospel of the kingdom (Matt. 4:23) being renewed, as if that makes it another new gospel. Elijah will return saying the same words of Matt. 3:2. He is once again preparing Israel for the coming of the Lord, but that will take him to the end of the age. Matt. 24:3. The key for me is recognizing this current 'dispensation of God's grace' (Eph. 3:2) as being parenthetical to the Messianic Kingdom Dispensation. In other words, it started with John the Baptist the first go around. It is simply being held in abeyance, so that the body of Christ can grow to full stature (Eph. 4:13). When we are taken out (1Thes. 4:17), the kingdom picks up with Elijah right where he left off, in the Jordan River. He will be one wet puppy. It will just be more impressive with a lot more Jews, and being on CNN and all, for the whole world to witness. That gospel message will still known as the ‘gospel of the kingdom.’ Matt. 24:14. Therefore, in actuality there are only three good news messages in the NT. I add the ‘different gospel’ (2Cor. 11:4, Gal. 1:6) in order to demonstrate that there is a curse attached to preaching a false gospel. I believe if you will compare my post to Larkin’s work, we will agree on most aspects.

Terral’s Four Gospel Post http://www.christian-forums.com/t878845

If I remember correctly, Larkin also places the start of our Gentile Body of Christ church of today at Pentecost, when he should have started it with the conversion of Paul. Maybe that is why so many Dispensationalists have that part of the interpretation wrong today. If you will reason through the Scriptural facts, according to Vine’s strict definition of ‘dispensation,’ then I believe you will see that the dispensation cannot precede the steward. And that is why the Holy Spirit uses Paul’s conversion in three chapters of Acts. 9, 22, 26. Thanks again for posting this diagram. Pictures are worth a thousand words indeed.

In Christ,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Ebb:

Ebb wrote >> Just like the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all one gospel, these gospels referred to in the chart are all one gospel. To try to put an artificial separation in these gospels as some do, it is like trying to put Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John against each other. We know they are not contradictory, but complimentary, and are the same gospel.

No sir. The Four Gospel accounts describe events that take place during the same period of time from different perspectives depicting Christ as, Matt: King, Mark: Servant, Luke: Man, John: Son of God. Gospel messages are described by the Holy Spirit in Scripture according to precepts of Doctrine. The gospel messages are indeed the same if they contain identical precepts for that particular Doctrine of Salvation. The 'gospel of the kingdom' was a message in transition, because events continued to occur that would then become 'good news.' Gospel messages that contain opposing precepts cannot be called the same gospel. For example: The two primary precepts for the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 4:23) are repentance and water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We see those two precepts described here:

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt. 3:2.

"John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.” Mark 1:4.

“Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38.

Did you note the transitional aspect of the same 'gospel of the kingdom' message? Matt. 4:17 (23) to Acts 8:12. When John began, the kingdom being 'at hand,' and the baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins was the 'good news.' Then, when Christ came after Him, the addition of His name was part of the 'good news.' Then, when the Holy Spirit arrived on the scene, then that became another element of the 'gospel of the kingdom.' The Kingdom Disciples received the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands:

“But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike . . . For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they {began} laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.” Acts 8:12-17.

If you want to prove that Paul’s gospel is the same gospel message as the ‘gospel of the kingdom,’ then you must find those same precepts for that gospel message. Instead, our gospel for today “gospel of the grace of God” contains opposing precepts.

“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace . . . In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.” Eph. 1:7-14.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph. 2:8+9.

We receive the Spirit by hearing with Faith. Gal. 3:2. Our one baptism is done by the one Spirit of 1Cor. 12:13, which places us in the body of Christ. That is how we became members of His body. 1Cor. 12:27.


The gospel of the kingdom is about being baptized in water first, then in the name of Jesus, then laying on of hands. And yet, today we have just one baptism (Eph. 4:5):

“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” 1Cor. 12:13.

Our one baptism is SPIRITUAL and done by the Holy Spirit Himself. Eph. 4:30. The works aspect of the water baptism of the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ is the opposing precept that disqualifies that message from being ‘the same’ as what Paul calls ‘my gospel’ (Rom. 2:16, 16:25). It is impossible to be saved by God’s grace through faith apart from works AND be saved by works at the same time. Therefore, the water baptism for the forgiveness of sins cannot belong as part of our gospel for today. Our redemption is in His precious blood! To see the differences, please see my post below:

Terral’s Four Gospel Post http://www.christian-forums.com/t878845

In Christ,

Terral

 

[RVincent]

The Fourfold Ministry of Our Lord.

"The Gospel of the Kingdom" and Other "Gospels".

 

[thereselittleflower]

Just like the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all one gospel, these gospels referred to in the chart are all one gospel. To try to put an artificial separation in these gospels as some do, it is like trying to put Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John against each other. We know they are not contradictory, but complimentary, and are the same gospel.

AMEN EBB!


Peace in Him!

 

[sawdust]

Just like the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all one gospel, these gospels referred to in the chart are all one gospel. To try to put an artificial separation in these gospels as some do, it is like trying to put Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John against each other. We know they are not contradictory, but complimentary, and are the same gospel.

You know once I would have said the same thing but recently I'm beginning to wonder about this two gospels thing. I've been reading up on what is said regarding this and I have to admit it made a passage of scripture much clearer that has always been a puzzle for me.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband." Eph.5:25-32

When I look at this passge with the view of one Gospel to Israel (Kingdom Gospel) and another Gospel to the Gentiles (Grace Gospel) I can see how one can end up with one Gospel (Eternal Gospel?) while recognising two gospels.

Let me put it in simple language. God says "I have Good News, my Son is getting married." To Israel He says "and you are the Bride" and to the Gentiles He says "and you will be part of the groom (body)" and together you will form one "flesh".

Now this thinking I still have sitting "on the shelf" and am looking at it in light of the whole counsel of God but I'm wondering ... ???? Paul did say it was a "great mystery", therefore it is reasonable to think that we might be overlooking something that is really quite simple.

Anyhoo, I'm interested in the thoughts of others.

peace

 

[@@Paul@@]

You know once I would have said the same thing but recently I'm beginning to wonder about this two gospels thing. I've been reading up on what is said regarding this and I have to admit it made a passage of scripture much clearer that has always been a puzzle for me.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband." Eph.5:25-32

When I look at this passge with the view of one Gospel to Israel (Kingdom Gospel) and another Gospel to the Gentiles (Grace Gospel) I can see how one can end up with one Gospel (Eternal Gospel?) while recognising two gospels.

Let me put it in simple language. God says "I have Good News, my Son is getting married." To Israel He says "and you are the Bride" and to the Gentiles He says "and you will be part of the groom (body)" and together you will form one "flesh".

Now this thinking I still have sitting "on the shelf" and am looking at it in light of the whole counsel of God but I'm wondering ... ???? Paul did say it was a "great mystery", therefore it is reasonable to think that we might be overlooking something that is really quite simple.

Anyhoo, I'm interested in the thoughts of others.

peace

Great!!

Now, here's a good thread on that subject...
http://www.christianforums.com/t733391
...if you're interested.

Eph 5:31-32 KJV
(31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
(32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.​

If the "great mystery" is that the Church has replaced Israel as the bride... then it's not so "great" is it? Seeing how some 90% of christians accept the title of Bride.

But alas, the great mystery pertains to the TWO being one flesh. Whoever the TWO are.

Now, on the "Eternal Gospel" or "Everlasting Gospel"...

Rom 1:20-21 KJV
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rev 14:6-7 KJV
(6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

I feel it's called the everlasting gospel because it's been around from the creation of the world.

 

[Terral]

Hi Sawdust:

Sawdust >> When I look at this passage with the view of one Gospel to Israel (Kingdom Gospel) and another Gospel to the Gentiles (Grace Gospel) I can see how one can end up with one Gospel (Eternal Gospel?) while recognizing two gospels. Let me put it in simple language. God says "I have Good News, my Son is getting married." To Israel He says "and you are the Bride" and to the Gentiles He says "and you will be part of the groom (body)" and together you will form one "flesh".

Sawdust, you had me hanging on every word. God has definitely given you some light on this topic. We are 'in' Him now, and the bride shall be 'in' Him down the road. My heart leaps a bit when someone begins to see it. Be prepared for the floodgates to open. When we see the two gospels, then the body AND the bride, then we can begin seeing the two Administrations of Kingdom (Israel/bride under Peter), and Grace (Gentiles/body under Paul). Then we can distinguish Grace doctrine (dispensation of God’s grace) and Kingdom Doctrine for the Kingdom disciples. And then, we can see why Paul’s Doctrine of Justification is faith only (Rom. 4:4-6) and James’ Doctrine of Justification for the Kingdom is by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

Sawdust >> Now this thinking I still have sitting "on the shelf" and am looking at it in light of the whole counsel of God but I'm wondering ... ???? Paul did say it was a "great mystery", therefore it is reasonable to think that we might be overlooking something that is really quite simple.

God is the Master at hiding His Wisdom in plain sight. Even our gospel is veiled to those who are perishing (2Cor. 4:3+4). Peter says that folks are distorting this ‘wisdom given him’ (Paul) to their own destruction. 2Pet. 3:14-16. That will be true for both this ‘time of the Gentiles’ and the coming Messianic Kingdom. When these things come into clear focus, then the realization will dawn on your soul that so very many have taken the bait of Satan. They are belly hooked and just waiting to be reeled in. However, also be prepared for the frustration of hearing people say, “No, you are imagining things,” and “there is only one gospel!” Many simply do not see it. You will see that there is Dispensational truth and Eternal truth. Christ’s words concerning the road to destruction represents an eternal truth for both dispensations.

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matt. 7:13+14.

What does that tell you, Sawdust? It says that the largest denominations in the world are on the broad twelve lane highway heading south. The path to life is walked by individuals who God has taken from the herd. Therefore, we must not be discouraged when folks go to their graves believing that we are seeing something that just is not there. Those are simply the cards we have been dealt by the Almighty.
God bless,

Terral

 

[Ebb]

You know once I would have said the same thing but recently I'm beginning to wonder about this two gospels thing. I've been reading up on what is said regarding this and I have to admit it made a passage of scripture much clearer that has always been a puzzle for me.

The proof that the two or three or four gospel theory is false is Galatians

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

For there to be more than one gospel, it means he who preaches the "other gospel", even an angel, is accursed.

If the gospel of Rev 14:6 is different from Paul's gospel, this makes the angel of Rev 14:6 accursed:

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Rev 14:6


If the gospel of the Kingdom preached by Jesus, John, the twelve, and the seventy (from the chart) is different from Paul's gospel, it makes all of them accursed.

Which is absurd and so disproves the dispensationalist's case for multiple gospels.

 

[In Christ Forever]

What does that tell you, Sawdust? It says that the largest denominations in the world are on the broad twelve lane highway heading south. The path to life is walked by individuals who God has taken from the herd. Therefore, we must not be discouraged when folks go to their graves believing that we are seeing something that just is not there. Those are simply the cards we have been dealt by the Almighty.

You sure make wild assumptions Terrel, you might want to add some dispensationalists there also as most christians appear to be rapture dispensationalists from what I have seen.

God is the Master at hiding His Wisdom in plain sight. Even our gospel is veiled to those who are perishing (2Cor. 4:3+4). Peter says that folks are distorting this ‘wisdom given him’ (Paul) to their own destruction. 2Pet. 3:14-16.

Yes, to the apostate jews that didn't listen to Paul or the apostles they were perishing and did perish when the roman army came and destroyed them and the OC temple. I could name a few here that are "distorting" the gospel to their own destruction.:o
The prophets didn't prophecy wraths on the gentiles, just the jews, as the veil of Moses covered their eyes and ears. And those same "jews/Israelis" are perishing today because of that same "veil" over their eyes that many churches are trying to uncover for those that haven't come to Christ and the True Gospel of our Lord Jesus yet. Churches and believing Israelis are trying to "unveil" their eyes to the True gospel of Christ, what more can we do than that brother? God bless.

2 corin 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

acts 13:40 "Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you: 41 "Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.' " 42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Ephesians 2:1 And you [He made alive,] who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

1 thess 2:15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

coll 3: 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

 

[sawdust]

Great!!

Now, here's a good thread on that subject...
http://www.christianforums.com/t733391
...if you're interested.

Eph 5:31-32 KJV
(31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
(32) This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.​

If the "great mystery" is that the Church has replaced Israel as the bride... then it's not so "great" is it? Seeing how some 90% of christians accept the title of Bride.

But alas, the great mystery pertains to the TWO being one flesh. Whoever the TWO are.

Now, on the "Eternal Gospel" or "Everlasting Gospel"...

Rom 1:20-21 KJV
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rev 14:6-7 KJV
(6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

I feel it's called the everlasting gospel because it's been around from the creation of the world.

Thanks for the link Paul. I managed to read it all.

peace

 

[sawdust]

Hi Sawdust:

Sawdust, you had me hanging on every word. God has definitely given you some light on this topic. We are 'in' Him now, and the bride shall be 'in' Him down the road. My heart leaps a bit when someone begins to see it. Be prepared for the floodgates to open. When we see the two gospels, then the body AND the bride, then we can begin seeing the two Administrations of Kingdom (Israel/bride under Peter), and Grace (Gentiles/body under Paul). Then we can distinguish Grace doctrine (dispensation of God’s grace) and Kingdom Doctrine for the Kingdom disciples. And then, we can see why Paul’s Doctrine of Justification is faith only (Rom. 4:4-6) and James’ Doctrine of Justification for the Kingdom is by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

God is the Master at hiding His Wisdom in plain sight. Even our gospel is veiled to those who are perishing (2Cor. 4:3+4). Peter says that folks are distorting this ‘wisdom given him’ (Paul) to their own destruction. 2Pet. 3:14-16. That will be true for both this ‘time of the Gentiles’ and the coming Messianic Kingdom. When these things come into clear focus, then the realization will dawn on your soul that so very many have taken the bait of Satan. They are belly hooked and just waiting to be reeled in. However, also be prepared for the frustration of hearing people say, “No, you are imagining things,” and “there is only one gospel!” Many simply do not see it. You will see that there is Dispensational truth and Eternal truth. Christ’s words concerning the road to destruction represents an eternal truth for both dispensations.

What does that tell you, Sawdust? It says that the largest denominations in the world are on the broad twelve lane highway heading south. The path to life is walked by individuals who God has taken from the herd. Therefore, we must not be discouraged when folks go to their graves believing that we are seeing something that just is not there. Those are simply the cards we have been dealt by the Almighty.
God bless,

Terral

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Prov.2:3-5
"And if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God."

God is faithful.

 

[Terral]

Hi InChristForever:

You wrote >> You sure make wild assumptions Terral, you might want to add some dispensationalists there also as most Christians appear to be rapture dispensationalists from what I have seen.

Please speak in English next time. What is a Rapture Dispensationalist? How do you interpret Christ’s words here?

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matt. 7:13+14.

Christ is acknowledging that the interpretations held by the largest mass of the population have the greatest chance of being dead wrong. You believe this to be a false reading of our Lord’s words here? Please interpret this one also. What does ‘caught up’ and ‘in the clouds’ mean to you? Try not to strain yourself. Try comparing to Paul's words in 1Cor. 15:51-55. That might help.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.” 1Thes. 4:16+17.

InChristForever >> Yes, to the apostate jews that didn't listen to Paul or the apostles they were perishing and did perish when the roman army came and destroyed them and the OC temple. I could name a few here that are "distorting" the gospel to their own destruction.

Was Paul talking about apostate Jews? Paul’s stewardship is to the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13, Eph. 3:2). He is talking about everybody. He says,

“. . . but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.” 1Cor. 1:23.

“. . . but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.” 2Cor. 3:16.

InChristForever >> The prophets didn't prophecy wraths on the gentiles, just the jews, as the veil of Moses covered their eyes and ears. And those same "jews/Israelis" are perishing today because of that same "veil" over their eyes that many churches are trying to uncover for those that haven't come to Christ and the True Gospel of our Lord Jesus yet.

The veil is over the eyes of Israel, because God placed it there. Rom. 11:25. He is building up the body of Christ first (Acts 15:14) and then “all Israel shall be saved.” Rom. 11:25+26. God will bring them into their Kingdom soon enough. Ezekiel prophesies of the resurrection of all Israel here:

“Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.’ Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.” Eze. 37:1-12.

Israel does not need Paul for God to fulfill all of His promises to them as His ‘chosen race’ (1Pet. 2:9) and ‘holy nation’ and ‘royal priesthood.’ That is what the Messianic Kingdom is all about. God just decided to go ahead and clean out the bad guys in heaven first. Then, the body of Christ can be seated in their places and judge the world and the angels. 1Cor. 6:2+3. Then, when He is revealed to the world (Matt. 24:31), then we shall be revealed with Him in Glory. Col. 3:4. Have you heard of that Elijah guy in Scripture? Christ prophesies that he is coming to restore all things. Matt. 17:11. I am willing to bet that he can do that without ever quoting one word from the Pauline Epistles, with one hand tied behind his back. Can’t you even imagine that ‘all things’ includes the kingdom to Israel? What is ‘all things’ to you? Your problem is that you read one verse of Scripture the way you like, and pretend the rest of the Bible does not exist. Make your interpretation work with the entire Bible, and all of the different dispensations of God.

InChristForever >> Churches and believing Israelis are trying to "unveil" their eyes to the True gospel of Christ, what more can we do than that brother? God bless.

You can start by leaving Israel out of any discussion that pertains to the Gentile Body of Christ (Col. 1:24-27). God is dealing with Israel according to times and epochs which He has fixed by His own authority. Acts 1:7. He knows what He is doing. All of His promises will be fulfilled to Israel above (body of Christ) and Israel in the earth (bride), until she is made ready and joins us where Christ is (Rev. 19:5-10). Go back to Gen. 22:17 and Abraham and note that the promise is to a heavenly (stars of the heavens) and earthy (sand/seashore) seed. However, only the 'stars' are mentioned the first time, when Abraham was uncircumcised and Abram.

"And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." And He said to him, 'So shall your descendants be.' Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness." Gen. 15:5+6.

God intended for there to be a Gentile Body all along. Take off those sunglasses, InChristForever, His Light is just fine. When you paste all of your quotes at the bottom like that, with all of that red and black, then something gets lost in the translation. All of those references are not to apostate Jews. Holy Mollies. They include anyone who preaches false gospel messages; Jew or Gentile. Paul said Israel was partially blind (Rom. 11:25) not sentenced to eternal damnation. Please get a grip on what Scripture ‘is’ saying.


People today are preaching false gospels when they add works to Paul’s gospel. You now, like adding water baptism to the blood of Christ. That is a work, and our gospel of Christ’s shed blood must be accepted by faith apart from works of any kind. Eph. 2:8+9, Rom. 4:4-6.


In Christ,

Terral

 

[Iosias]

If I remember correctly, Larkin also places the start of our Gentile Body of Christ church of today at Pentecost, when he should have started it with the conversion of Paul. Maybe that is why so many Dispensationalists have that part of the interpretation wrong today. If you will reason through the Scriptural facts, according to Vine’s strict definition of ‘dispensation,’ then I believe you will see that the dispensation cannot precede the steward. And that is why the Holy Spirit uses Paul’s conversion in three chapters of Acts. 9, 22, 26. Thanks again for posting this diagram. Pictures are worth a thousand words indeed.

Hopefully this will show you are not 100% correct and not 100% wrong : http://www.ebccnet.com/lcharts/Clarence-Larkin-Album/Judais1_001

 

[Iosias]

Just like the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all one gospel, these gospels referred to in the chart are all one gospel.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all trace the transition from the gospel of the kingdom to its postponement and the institution of a new one.

 

[In Christ Forever]

Israel does not need Paul for God to fulfill all of His promises to them as His ‘chosen race’ (1Pet. 2:9) and ‘holy nation’ and ‘royal priesthood.’ That is what the Messianic Kingdom is all about. God just decided to go ahead and clean out the bad guys in heaven first. Then, the body of Christ can be seated in their places and judge the world and the angels. 1Cor. 6:2+3. Then, when He is revealed to the world (Matt. 24:31), then we shall be revealed with Him in Glory. Col. 3:4. Have you heard of that Elijah guy in Scripture? Christ prophesies that he is coming to restore all things. Matt. 17:11. I am willing to bet that he can do that without ever quoting one word from the Pauline Epistles

So during what time period does Elijah come back in this endtime prophecy by Paul Put it next to the verse that comes closest, ok?

21 For since by man [came] death, by Man also [came] the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order:

Christ the firstfruits,[ For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet]

afterward those [who are] Christ's at His coming. 24

Then [comes] the end,

when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy [that] will be destroyed [is] death.

Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

Hosea 4:4 "Now let no man contend, or rebuke another; For your people [are] like those who contend with the priest. 5 Therefore you shall stumble in the day; The prophet also shall stumble with you in the night; And I will destroy your mother. 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

 

[Ebb]

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all trace the transition from the gospel of the kingdom to its postponement and the institution of a new one.

The "transition" concept between "two gospels" is one that is imagined and is proven false by Paul in Galatians:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

Paul pulls no punches here and says that anyone who preaches another gospel than that which "we have preached", let him be accursed. And therefore the preaching of another gospel would be one of the "doctrines of demons" which Paul warned Timothy about that he said would be a mark of the latter times (I Timothy 4:1).

 

[Iosias]

The "transition" concept between "two gospels" is one that is imagined and is proven false by Paul in Galatians:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

Paul pulls no punches here and says that anyone who preaches another gospel than that which "we have preached", let him be accursed. And therefore the preaching of another gospel would be one of the "doctrines of demons" which Paul warned Timothy about that he said would be a mark of the latter times (I Timothy 4:1).

Ahhh a common mistake...1 Galatians is referring to:

"The test of the Gospel is grace. If the message excludes grace, or mingles law with grace as the means of either of justification or sanctification Galatians 2:21; 3:1-3 or denies the fact or guilt of sin which alone gives grace its occasion and opportunity, it is "another" gospel, and the preacher of it is under the anathema of God Galatians 1:8,9." (Scofield 1917 notes)

 

[Iosias]

From Bullinger's How to Enjoy the Bible:

The Various Gospels.—From this confusion between the Kingdom and the Church comes the confusion between the various GOSPELS of which the Scripture speaks.

There is no dispute as to the meaning of the word. The English word Gospel may mean either good news, or God's News. But the Greek word means only good news. This does not carry us far. It tells us only the fact that the news is good. There is a further question for us to ask; viz., What is the news that is so good?

News is of different kinds. In our Newspapers we find Political News, Financial News, Judicial News, Social News, Sporting News, and indeed news of all kinds.

We have therefore to answer our own question as to what this "News" from God is, and what it is that makes it "good."

We read for example of—

• The Gospel of the Kingdom,
• The Gospel of God,
• The Gospel of the grace of God,
• The Gospel of the Glory, and
• The Everlasting Gospel.

The question is, Do all these expressions mean the same thing? Is the "good news" the same in each case? If God has thus put these five Gospels asunder, are we at liberty to join them together? Has God thus distinguished them, and, shall we say that there is no distinction whatever?

It is very general not only for those who read, but for those who teach, to say that there is only one kind of Gospel, and those who say this do not hesitate to use harsh language of us, and of those who seek rightly to divide these Gospels and endeavour to apportion them and their peculiar news to the Time or Dispensation to which they respectively belong.

"The Gospel of the Kingdom"

Was the good news that, the Kingdom, which had been the subject of Old Testament promise and prophecy, was at length "at hand." That was good news indeed for all those who waited "for the consolation of Israel" (Luke 2:25); who "looked for redemption in Jerusalem" (v 38); and who "waited for the Kingdom of God" (Mark 15:43). Many believed this good news concerning Christ the King, and "trusted that it had been he who should have redeemed Israel" (Luke 24:21).

But, after the Kingdom had been rejected, and the King crucified, it was again proclaimed to Israel, and the announcement made that the King was ready to return (Acts 2:38, 3:19-21), on the one condition of national repentance. But the making of this proclamation was still opposed by the People through their rulers (Acts 4:17,18); and the preachers of this "Gospel of the Kingdom" were "threatened" (v 21).

When Peter's Ministry to the Circumcision ended in his imprisonment (Acts 12), and Paul was raised up and sent forth, it was with the added good news of Grace. This was what is again and again claimed by Paul as "my Gospel." Then after all this: after the rejection and Crucifixion of the King, after the Martyrdom of Stephen, and after the Imprisonment of Peter, the Epistle to the Romans (which stands first of the subsequent Canonical writings) opens with the words, "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be (or, by Divine Calling) an Apostle, separated unto

"God's Gospel"

This was good news of a different character. This was news of grace proclaimed, not to Israel only, or to any one nation, but to individual transgressors of the Jews, and sinners of the Gentiles alike; to all without distinction. It was grace proclaimed to Jews who deserved wrath, and to Gentiles who deserved nothing. Hence it is called

The Gospel of the Grace of God

This was further good news, as set forth in Romans and the other Church Epistles. It was the good news that those who are in Christ are reckoned by God (and hence are to be reckoned by us) as having died with Christ and having risen with Him; and that when this Gospel shall have accomplished its object and gathered out from Jews and Gentiles all the members of the one Body, these shall be gathered together unto Christ the Glorious Head in glory (2 Thess 2:1).

This good news is called THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL, or better,

"The Gospel of the Glory

of the blessed God which was (Paul says) committed to my trust" (1 Tim 1:11). In 2 Corinthians 4:4 it is called "the glorious Gospel of Christ," i.e., the good news of the "glory" which is to follow the "sufferings" of Christ; and which is to be the outcome of those sufferings. This good news is preached now. It is part of the good news of the Grace of God; for grace and glory are inseparably bound together. There is no Gospel of the grace of God, without the Gospel of the glory of God. Grace is the flower, Glory will be the fruit. The Church is not always to be in sorrow and trial; and the good news concerning the glory is "the knowledge of the glory of God in the person of Jesus Christ" (2 Cor 4:6).

But when the preaching of this double Gospel of Grace and Glory shall have closed, we read of another Gospel which is to be proclaimed in the midst of the Dispensation of Judgment. It is called

"The Everlasting Gospel"

It is not proclaimed until the very crisis of the apocalyptic judgments; after the Judgments of the Seven Seals, the Judgments of the Seven Trumpets, and the revelation of the Beast in his superhuman stage (Rev 13). Then, before the final judgments of the seven Vials, seven angels make seven proclamations (Rev 14:6-20). The first is the proclamation of "the everlasting Gospel"; of mercy in the midst of judgment. It is the command to mankind simply to "Fear God" as the Creator. Not a word as to the Redeemer, or as to grace or glory, but a simple command to "Fear God." What else will be contained in that Gospel of the coming Day of Judgment we know not now.

It is called "everlasting" because the acknowledgment of God as the Creator was before all other news; and will follow after all news of the kingdom, grace and glory will have passed away. It announces God, only as the Creator; not as Lord, or as Jehovah (the Covenant God), but as "God" (the Creator). It is not "Repent," or "do this" or "do that," but only "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come; and worship Him that made heaven and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Compare Exodus 9:30; Psalm 33:8.)

Is it not strange that this should ever have been supposed to be the same as the Gospel of the Grace of God? Is it not strange that news of God's present grace should ever be taken as being the same as the news of God's mercy in the midst of judgment?

Nothing can account for such perversity but the fact that it comes only from human selfishness, and the determination to take everything, past, present, and future, as belonging to, or having to do with, the Church of God. Rightly divide these different Gospels, according to the Dispensations to which they belong, and we have only harmony, consistency, and truth.