The Four Aspects of Salvation.

JLB777 · Nov 16, 2019

Dave L said:
Obedience before salvation = works. Obedience after salvation = grace.

Only people who obey the Gospel are saved.

which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-9

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

They way we are born again is by believing and obeying the Gospel.

JLB

JLB777 · Nov 16, 2019

Dave L said:
Obedience before salvation = works. Obedience after salvation = grace.

How in the world can a person become saved without believing and obeying the Gospel?

Dave L · Nov 16, 2019

JLB777 said:
How in the world can a person become saved without believing and obeying the Gospel?

God saves sinners by grace, not works.

Dave L · Nov 16, 2019

JLB777 said:
Only people who obey the Gospel are saved.

which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-9

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

They way we are born again is by believing and obeying the Gospel.

JLB

Only the saved will obey God.

Dave L · Nov 16, 2019

JLB777 said:
This is heresy.

You must believe and confess in order to be saved.

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

How in the world can a person become saved without believing?

Please post the scripture that says those who don’t believe are saved.

JLB

Heresy = salvation by works.

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
God saves sinners by grace, not works.

No one is claiming we are saved by works.

People are saved by obedience to the Lord.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9

Obeying the Gospel.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Obeying His Commandments -

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

Obeying His Doctrine -

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

JLB

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
Heresy = salvation by works.

No one is claiming we are saved by works.

People are saved by obedience to the Lord.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9

Obeying the Gospel.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Obeying His Commandments -

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

Obeying His Doctrine -

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

JLB

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
No one is claiming we are saved by works.

People are saved by obedience to the Lord.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9

Obeying the Gospel.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Obeying His Commandments -

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

Obeying His Doctrine -

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

JLB

Obedience to the Lord = works.
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” Titus 3:5 (KJV 1900)

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
No one is claiming we are saved by works.

People are saved by obedience to the Lord.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9

Obeying the Gospel.

For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Obeying His Commandments -

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

Obeying His Doctrine -

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

JLB

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
Obedience to the Lord = works.
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” Titus 3:5 (KJV 1900)

Is confessing Jesus as Lord a deed or a word?

JLB

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

We keep the commandments by nature of the New Birth. We love God and people and hate sin.

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
Is confessing Jesus as Lord a deed or a word?

JLB

It's a natural reaction to the New Birth. It just happens in our conversations because of the Love God gave us for him.

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
We keep the commandments by nature of the New Birth. We love God and people and hate sin.

We are instructed to keep His commandments, however not every born again Christian does.

We should love God, which means we keep His commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

However, The way we are instructed to remain in Christ is to obey His commandments.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
It's a natural reaction to the New Birth. It just happens in our conversations because of the Love God gave us for him.

Is confessing Jesus as Lord a deed or a word.

JLB

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
Is confessing Jesus as Lord a deed or a word.

JLB

It comes from the abundance of the born again heart.

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
We are instructed to keep His commandments, however not every born again Christian does.

We should love God, which means we keep His commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

However, The way we are instructed to remain in Christ is to obey His commandments.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

We are not born again if we don't obey God having love as our motive.

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
It comes from the abundance of the born again heart.

Confessing Jesus as Lord is how we are saved.

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

It is done through the power of the Spirit but remains a choice.

JLB

JLB777 · Nov 17, 2019

Dave L said:
We are not born again if we don't obey God having love as our motive.

You can’t love until you are born again, in which you are a new creation.

Dave L · Nov 17, 2019

JLB777 said:
Confessing Jesus as Lord is how we are saved.

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

It is done through the power of the Spirit but remains a choice.

JLB

= the self righteous save themselves.

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