The Forward Party

[MorkandMindy]

How many Senate seats would be needed to affect voting outcomes?

One.

The public has been warned many times about the dangers of third parties, using the Nazi Party in Germany as an example.

The media keeps quiet about the hundreds of counterexamples there are Worldwide.

Or that for many years Germany has had many parties and been politically very stable, more so than the US. That Germany currently has seven major parties, is well out to the left, and had the biggest balance of trade surplus of any country in 2017.

The Forward Party as with most new parties is not a threat, in fact the two party system at present is leading to polarization as well as stagnation.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Never heard of it.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

The Forward Party as with most new parties is not a threat, in fact the two party system at present is leading to polarization as well as stagnation.

Third parties don't have much chance. The Libertarian is the only one that has had a semi-chance but even that one way under performs in spite of its history and having lots of people sympathetic to it including myself and some of my friends, and people I watch on YouTube.

1) because of the rise of Hitler, not many people really want to emulate European multi party system even if it gives you more kinds of representation etc.

2) Our current political trends makes this even less desirable than even the recent past. The fact that people, especially Democrats try to rule with a slim majority makes this even less likely. People are going to be less likely wanting to build a party on a specific ideology or issue when that is going to cost them in the short term. I think if we went the opposite way, and went with the Constitution where you needed real majority voting on different things it would help a lot because people would be less threatened that a radical faction is dominating a major party and pushing legislation that most people don't want or at least don't care about. And this would allow for more of a multi party system, or at least more dynamism in the two party system where groups like the Blue dog democrats, Log Cabin Republicans etc, might make a real difference rather than simply being lobbying groups within a given party.

 

[Albion]

There are a lot of different factors at work with this problem of allowing the minor parties to have a chance, but one big reason for their struggles is that the two major parties, the Ds and Rs, have written the rules by which third parties must operate.

Those rules make getting onto the ballot very difficult, and staying there often just as difficult, and that's to say nothing about the almost total exclusion of any mention of these parties by the media. And although most people never give it a thought, there are all sorts of governmental bodies which by law must have a certain number of Rs and Ds represented...but there is no place for a member of any third party.

 

[Always in His Presence]

How many Senate seats would be needed to affect voting outcomes?

One.

The Forward Party as with most new parties is not a threat, in fact the two party system at present is leading to polarization as well as stagnation.

When was the last time the Senate was evenly split?

I looked up the forward party - Andrew Yang

Thank you - no thank you

IMHO - just another socialist agenda that is not wanted, not needed and dangerous to our nation.

 

[Percivale]

I like the forward party, but I doubt it will grow very far; like lots of small parties it's not quite different enough from the Democrats to stand out. To succeed a minor party needs to be in the populist quadrant, pull support from right and left about equally, and be moderate while having a definite ideology. The American Solidarity Party is the only one I know that fits that description. Of course more important to success than ideology is the fame and charisma of the candidate, maybe Yang will gain more of that over time, who knows.

 

[Albion]

I like the forward party, but I doubt it will grow very far; like lots of small parties it's not quite different enough from the Democrats to stand out. To succeed a minor party needs to be in the populist quadrant, pull support from right and left about equally, and be moderate while having a definite ideology. The American Solidarity Party is the only one I know that fits that description. Of course more important to success than ideology is the fame and charisma of the candidate, maybe Yang will gain more of that over time, who knows.

It's really the opposite. The American Solidarity Party won't do well for the very reason that it has positioned itself as neither fish nor foul.

That may seem admirable, but that constituency is basically satisfied to vote with either the Democrats or the Republicans, both of which are broad based and able to accommodate people who would otherwise sympathize with the American Solidarity Party.

 

[cow451]

Trump was going to do a third party until he was informed how broke he would be without the GOP.

Any third party has to have a charismatic leader and big money. None of the third parties today have that.

 

[Landon Caeli]

one big reason for their struggles is that the two major parties, the Ds and Rs, have written the rules by which third parties must operate.

And they push the "lesser of two evils" mantra as a kind of "wisdom", when in reality, it's not.

...In reality, nothing has changed drastically within American politics I'm my lifetime... So there's really no urgency standing in the way of voting third party.

I say, vote for your favorite candidate!

 

[Desk trauma]

The Forward Party as with most new parties is not a threat, in fact the two party system at present is leading to polarization as well as stagnation.

Unless it's doing the boring ground work of building a real political party, starting with local or state level offices, getting a base of voters, having examples of their policy in practice to point to, and is instead focussed on federal politicas or the Whitehouse it is a sideshow, at best.

 

[Albion]

Unless it's doing the boring ground work of building a real political party, starting with local or state level offices, getting a base of voters, having examples of their policy in practice to point to, and is instead focussed on federal politicas or the Whitehouse it is a sideshow, at best.

So is the "Forward Party" looking like at present.

And time is already very short for a new party to do something in the next general election.

 

[Landon Caeli]

...Neither party is smart enough to realize that creating incentives to outsource manufacturing in Central America (instead of China), would help in resolving the migrant crisis, by providing employment opportunities where the migrants are coming from.

Neither party has the intelligence to come up with simple, rational conclusions to real world problems. Instead, they continue playing tit-for-tat games, which resembles a bottom of the barrel frame of mind.

 

[Albion]

But the Central American nations you have in mind do not have the resources with which to line the pockets of the American President's son. Therefore, a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" symbiotic relationship a la Biden and Xi doesn't exist with these other countries.

 

[Landon Caeli]

But the Central American nations you have in mind do not have the resources with which to line the pockets of the American President's son. Therefore, a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" symbiotic relationship a la Biden and Xi doesn't exist with these other countries.

While I can't say for sure if that's true, what is plainly true is that the Biden administration appears blind to new, real-world solutions and ideas. His only successful act seems to be the Build America Better plan, which is just a replay of the same old tactics the Democratic Party does every presidential cycle -- offer more social programs for the poor by raising taxes... So typical.

 

[rturner76]

But the Central American nations you have in mind do not have the resources with which to line the pockets of the American President's son. Therefore, a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" symbiotic relationship a la Biden and Xi doesn't exist with these other countries.

RIght, nobody moved their business to China until Biden got elected.

 

[Albion]

RIght, nobody moved their business to China until Biden got elected.

The point is not understood if you bring an "everyone vs. no one at all" mentality to it. .

As a matter of fact, almost no social-political issue is understood if such a shortsighted standard is applied to it. If your perspective were correct, the following comment would be meaningful: "Well, Hitler didn't kill every Jew in Europe, did he?"

 

[Landon Caeli]

RIght, nobody moved their business to China until Biden got elected.

The point was that the Biden administration appears to have no fresh ideas... Which is why searching in unfamiliar places (3rd parties) might be worthwhile.

 

[rturner76]

The point was that the Biden administration appears to have no fresh ideas... Which is why searching in unfamiliar places (3rd parties) might be worthwhile.

He did have the whole trillion-dollar new new deal.

 

[rturner76]

The point is not understood if you bring an "everyone vs. no one at all" mentality to it. .

As a matter of fact, almost no social-political issue is understood if such a shortsighted standard is applied to it. If your perspective were correct, the following comment would be meaningful: "Well, Hitler didn't kill every Jew in Europe, did he?"

I don't get what you are trying to excuse based on Hitler's decisions.

 

[MorkandMindy]

He did have the whole trillion-dollar new new deal.

Blowing a trillion dollars is not a new idea or a good one.