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Go away! that is irrelevant to this topic. And no, that is not what I believe.Don't you believe that men can become women?
Why should anyone take what you say seriously?
There are many creatures found in the fossil record who were in the process of eating and even giving birth - all instantly killed and rapidly fossilized.
You agree that fossilization can occur rapidly?Does that indicate a singular global flood? Or does it suggest that mundane fossilisation events can occur rapidly?
What does the evidence from radiometric dating and stratigraphy lead to?
There may not be evidence to support some ideas - so they enter into belief and theory - while others have all evidence against them.Go away! that is irrelevant to this topic. And no, that is not what I believe.
May I ask why you would want to believe the account of Noah and the flood?While I very much want to believe the story of the flood some things have led me to believe that the story may not be literal or that it was not a global flood.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Not all Christians take the whole Bible literally and they are still Christians. If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, that he died for your sins on the cross, was buried and rose on the third day and you accept him as Lord and Savior, it makes no difference if you don't take all of Genesis literally.May I ask why you would want to believe the account of Noah and the flood?
Is it because
All the above, are not only good reasons to believe the account, but to do otherwise, is to disregard the word of God.
- it is in the Bible - Genesis 6:1-10:1:
- God recounted the account as historical - Isaiah 54:9
- God spoke of Noah as an actual real historical figure, like Job and Daniel - Ezekiel 14:14, 20
- the prophets and Jesus referred to Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30
- Noah is found in the genealogical record - Luke 3:36
- Jesus' apostles spoke of Noah, and the events of his day as historical - Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:19, 20; 2 peter 2:4-6
The flood account cannot be interpreted figuratively, in order to kiss up to interpretations of scientists.
We either believe the Bible is God's word, or we don't. Would you not agree?
Let's take one of the interpretations from the article you supplied.
The materialists' question is a clear indication of why you don't want to follow their materialistic world view - that everything must have a "natural" explanation.
- A large percentage of the world’s fauna, including, for example, dodos, sloths, penguins, kangaroos, koalas and many other species, are not native to the Middle East (assuming that was the location of Noah’s ark). How did they travel there to board the ark?
1 Corinthians 2:14
How was it possible for any animal to board the ark? How did Noah bring all animals into the ark?
Did Noah send out a bird call, and all the birds came flying to him?
Did he have a special drum roll, for all the insects to hear, and come scurrying to him?
No. Those who are looking at this from a human perspective are greatly mistaken.
Note what the Bible says at Genesis 7:15, 16... "[the animals] went into the ark with Noah, two and two of all flesh in which there was the breath of life. A male and female of each kind entered, just as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD closed the door behind them."
Obviously, God - the divine one - the Almighty, directed the animals and actually brought them to Noah, and then God closed the door, when all were inside.
Noah could not know if all the animals were in. Noah was not a zoologist, and he had not written a book with a list of all the animals alive, so divine intervention needs to be considered.
See Genesis 2:19
The naturalist would like to get away with their arguments, by ignoring this fact.
Don't let them do it to you.
Even if others compromise, please... do not you do the same.
I would argue that those "problems" are very much by design.Not all Christians take the whole Bible literally and they are still Christians. If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, that he died for your sins on the cross, was buried and rose on the third day and you accept him as Lord and Savior, it makes no difference if you don't take all of Genesis literally.
I always have but I don't condemn those who don't and I'm open to the idea.
There are more problems with the story than the one you mentioned
The truth sometimes hurts and it is a bit rich of you to play the victim card when your own behaviour was less than exemplary by gaslighting me and your condescending responses to my posts.Why may I ask, are you only interested in physical geological evidence?
Physical geological evidence would not confirm or deny the global flood.
It will only lead to further debate, because that is only one piece of evidence which is interpreted by various geologists in different ways.
If however, you just want to see the physical geological evidence, when searching through the papers, you have to scroll down to make sure the pages show up first, before searching... and then be patient.
I'll help you a bit, because based on the behavior of a couple posters in the other thread, I think this is important to mention.
Biblical explanations [which is what I was doing, only to be insulted, disrespected, and judged as being dishonest, and trying to fool people, especially by one identifying themselves as Christian] are usually rejected by the scientific community for the following reasons....
Sounds like not too long ago.Clarity is good.
Belief is one thing. What is the evidence? When did this interstellar deluge happen? What form did it take? How much water fell to Earth? (The whole of the ocean? More than current ocean, but some went away? Just a small fraction current ocean?
Sounds like 150 days and nights.How long did it take to fall to Earth? (ie, what was the duration of the event?)
BibleBased on what evidence?
Everyone knows there was an ocean on mars.We know of evidence of water on Mars (some of the ice cap is water) and more water in the past. Where do you get the notion that there was water on the Moon, let alone a flood?
nor do rivers that flow upstreamWhere? When did they form? How do you know it doesn't snow there? (Rain is not a major source for glacial growth.)
many species survived on the flood debrisThere are many floods and certainly many dead things were trapped in the debris of floods. That doesn't make them global in nature. Many, many fossils are *clearly* not formed in flooded environments.
What "empty canyons" are you speaking of? (And what does that even mean?)
What did Jesus say at John 8:31, 32?Not all Christians take the whole Bible literally and they are still Christians. If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, that he died for your sins on the cross, was buried and rose on the third day and you accept him as Lord and Savior, it makes no difference if you don't take all of Genesis literally.
I always have but I don't condemn those who don't and I'm open to the idea.
There are more problems with the story than the one you mentioned
What do you mean "sounds like not too long ago". Which source is implying that?Sounds like not too long ago.
Same question.Sounds like 150 days and nights.
A bible-like flood is what you are trying to demonstrate. You can't use the thing you are trying to verify as evidence.Bible
I didn't ask about Mars. I asked about your claim of water flowing on the Moon.Everyone knows there was an ocean on mars.
What is this about.nor do rivers that flow upstream
That is not relevant.many species survived on the flood debris
You can't make that assumption. It must be demonstrated for every such canyon.every canyon that exists is now mysteriously vacant of most of it's water. they were formed quickly.
That still leaves the possibility that the flood was not global.What did Jesus say at John 8:31, 32?
If anyone does not believe Jesus or his father, do you think that any amount of crying that they are Christian, will appeal to Jesus?
Jesus does not believe the flood happened. He knows it happened. He was there when his father did it, and he witnessed every command his father gave Noah, and everything that happened.
Thus, Jesus spoke about it. God did the same.
I have a feeling you did not take the time to consider those six facts I mentioned, and the scriptures that go with them. They do not leave room to not "take all of Genesis literally".
Please. Read them, and tell me how you can get Noah and the flood to be figurative.
- it is in the Bible - Genesis 6:1-10:1:
- God recounted the account as literally historical - Isaiah 54:9
- God spoke of Noah as an actual literal real historical figure, like Job and Daniel - Ezekiel 14:14, 20
- the prophets and Jesus referred to Noah and the flood as literally historical - Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30
- Noah is found in the literal genealogical record - Luke 3:36
- Jesus' apostles spoke of Noah, and the events of his day as literally historical - Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:19, 20; 2 Peter 2:4-6
I don't believe they know, and science is limited, when it comes to knowing everything.
No, because "this evidence", is not factual, because scientist believe that they somehow have the ability to know whatever they want to know.
Do you think they will ever find an accurate answer that is 99.9% reliable, and why?
What reasons do you have for not believing the Bible is reliable?
If the mammoths all went extinct around 4,000 years ago, and they died from a sudden catastrophe,
so sudden they did not have time to chew and swallow the food in their mouth, and there was a global flood around that same period, what would that be strong evidence of?
You agree that fossilization can occur rapidly?
I'm very much a Lover of God. And the Earth from my experience can not lie being made by the hand of God. So when stories from an ancient middle-eastern desert tribe are brought forward into today's world, I have to look at what the Earth itSelf, as created by God, is actually showing us. That doesn't take God out of the picture, but it sure questions those ancient stories in a major way.Why may I ask, are you only interested in physical geological evidence?
Physical geological evidence would not confirm or deny the global flood.
As I mentioned above, the geology of floods are well understood. There's not really much difference in interpretation these days. When it comes to floods geology, interpretation isn't a problem. The only difference geologist might have would be water rate and flow or how many times not unlike the Ice Age Floods in the Pacific Northwest. The depth is easy to interpret. The physical geology left behind tells the story. When it comes to the physical story of a global Noah flood...there simply is no physical evidence of said flood.It will only lead to further debate, because that is only one piece of evidence which is interpreted by various geologists in different ways.
When going through the paper and as I read this part I was pretty blown away at his ignorance of glaciers and moraine rocks that the author exhibited. He clearly had not visited nor studied glaciers. His focus is archaeology which is the focus of most of the paper, but clearly not geology. Moraine's are only found at the edge of ice flows. Google "Foothills Erratic Train" for a 580 mile long example.In the 19 th century, many scientists came to favour erratics as evidence for the end of the last glacial maximum (ice age) 10,000 years ago, rather than a flood. Geologists have suggested that landslides or rockfalls initially dropped the rocks on top of glacial ice (some of them are traced for more than 3,000 km!) 3 . The glaciers continued to move, carrying the rocks with them. When the ice melted, the erratics were left in their present locations. In fact erratics only prove that a large part of the earth was under water about 10,000 years ago.
It's proven that a clock on the wall moves slower than a clock on a wrist.What do you mean "sounds like not too long ago". Which source is implying that?
There are oceans of water on this planet that are alien.Same question.
A bible-like flood is what you are trying to demonstrate. You can't use the thing you are trying to verify as evidence.
The moon is soaked in water, everyone knows this(at least that's what I think you are trying to demonstrate. I'd rather you tried to demonstrate this "interstellar flood" thing directly using geological evidence.)
I didn't ask about Mars. I asked about your claim of water flowing on the Moon.
Every canyon is a canyon because of the lack of apparent waterWhat is this about.
That is not relevant.
You can't make that assumption. It must be demonstrated for every such canyon.
What?It's proven that a clock on the wall moves slower than a clock on a wrist.
Again, demonstrate this.There are oceans of water on this planet that are alien.
Hahahaha. NO. The Moon is dry. People have been there. No water on the surface.The moon is soaked in water, everyone knows this
Which means exactly nothing.Every canyon is a canyon because of the lack of apparent water
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