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the world was like that before the flood that's what all the different ruins are found along the world
there is a mystery, as to who built the foundations to baalbek, and who carved the stones up at puma puncu. there is no explanation. either humans had some technology which we don't have, or angels were involved.
also the stone work at cuzco, and other places in south america.
i used to believe in the flood, so i would have agreed that all that was before the flood, something happened, and megalithic civilisation was no more.
Dear pap, I'm sorry, but I don't pay much attention to the theories of men. .....
I believe that God placed the books He wanted in the Canon. I accept all of them as God's Truth.
In Love,
Aman
Aman wrote:
Dear Aman-
Sure you do. You said you do in the same post, by saying that you support this or the other canon. All the different canons were decided by ..... men. There was no parting of the heavens with glowing words in the sky announcing which books to include. In fact, Christians were never settled on the canon, and aren't today.
So which theory of men, supporting which canon, do you choose?
Dear pap, I use the King James Version of Scripture because it is the most read and allows me to look up the meanings of the original words.
Pap:>>You could choose the 73 books in the Catholic canon, which is that used by most Christians.
I don't think Catholics would allow me into their group because I don't accept the traditions of men as equal with God's Holy Word.
Pap:>>you could choose the longer list of 80 or so books in the "smaller" canon,
or that of the 90+ books of the "expanded" canon
or that of the 66 books of many American Christians
or that of the 65 books supported by the dead sea scrolls
or the 62 books of the Syriac canon
or, or, or......
basically, raising any Biblical canon above the full revelation of God - including that He gave in the natural world, seems to me to be approaching idolatry (or as it is often called, bibolatry).
I agree to some extent. I also seek the agreement of the Truth of science and history which agrees with God's Holy Word. I believe this is as close as humanly possible to the One Truth.
Pap:>>In His Name-
His name is Jesus.
In Love,
Aman
The flood mystery solved, at last.
For many years I have accepted YECs claims about a global flood. Recently I have done some research on the matter and conclude that a global flood as described in the genesis account is impossible.
That's 2 mistakes in a row. Just read the scriptures themselves and not
what any people write about the scriptures. See if the scriptures are
internally consistent. Not what others write.
Just read the scriptures and decide if Jesus lived and rose again, or He did not.
Genesis 7
Jesus' resurrection (which i believe) is not the same as the account of the flood in the bible (which i don't believe). Penticost really happened, there's historical evidence, and the event explains the rapid growth of Christianity after the death of Jesus. But there are thousands of years difference, and another culture, and another people.
Well, of course, the story of Gilgamesh and all those other stories (virtually every culture has a world flood story of some kind) sound similar. The flood happened before Gilgamesh and other written records. After the flood, the world had to be repopulated again, and then came the tower of Babel and the confounding of language in order to disperse the people. These people handed down their story of the flood eventually ending up with all those different stories. God had Moses write down the true history of this earth.
Don't want to believe that--fine, don't. I do.
what about the carbon date of coal? it gets a reading of 40,000 years, which is just a trace. they found a bell inside a block of coal, so that proves that there was human civilisation before 40,000 years ago. if the flood was true, all the animals and forests and everything would be washed away together as a big mess, in one specific deposit. there's a whole world full of geologists, who know a lot more about it than i do, they can't all be wrong, and only John Makay, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind and Grady Mc Murtry are correct. Are those people geologists?A year long flood would destroy all the plants after the flood, there'd be nothing for the animals to eat.
Papias wrote
Dear Aman-
Sure you do. You said you do in the same post, by saying that you support this or the other canon. All the different canons were decided by ..... men. There was no parting of the heavens with glowing words in the sky announcing which books to include. In fact, Christians were never settled on the canon, and aren't today.
...you could choose the longer list of 80 or so books in the "smaller" canon,
or that of the 90+ books of the "expanded" canon
or that of the 66 books of many American Christians
or that of the 65 books supported by the dead sea scrolls
or the 62 books of the Syriac canon
or, or, or......
So which theory of men, supporting which canon, do you choose?
Dear pap, I use the King James Version of Scripture because it is the most read .......
and allows me to look up the meanings of the original words.
I don't think Catholics would allow me into their group because I don't accept the traditions of men as equal with God's Holy Word.Pap:>>You could choose the 73 books in the Catholic canon, which is that used by most Christians.
Okay, I got it. You're saying it's a false religion then, which doesn't believe in the Bible in which its cannons are based. It's been corrupted by man and stands for nothing. Thank God I've had the wisdom to not be ensnared by the cult.that statement that you quoted there cannot be true for anglicans, as a belief in evolution ensures that they also believe that the bible is in no way a true and inerrant record of God's interaction etc. ... it can't be, as the ancestor list dosn't go back however many years their evolutionary timeframe requires. unless you put in enormous gaps in it.
i didn't say that the whole bible is lies, just the story of the flood, although i do think that other books in the bible are lies, but that's another matter.
Okay, I got it. You're saying it's a false religion then, which doesn't believe in the Bible in which its cannons are based. It's been corrupted by man and stands for nothing. Thank God I've had the wisdom to not be ensnared by the cult.
However, Angelicans should change their creed to reflect what they believe; or rather do not believe.
Sky:>>Floods usually create floating islands. No matter, the story says that plants survived but does not say how it happened.
Genesis 8:11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.
Dear Sky, The better explanation is that the Ark did NOT land on top of a mountain but in a Lake.
That would not be landing, your words, or "coming to rest", what professional translators have determined.
No matter. That's not up for debate.
and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
Matters not.Lake Van, in the moun...<snip>
The Raven did NOT return to the Ark, which indicates that it flew to shore. The Dove returned... <snip>
Ravens don't return to a home. The "Dove" was likely a white pigeon.
We have no details on the growth on land.
I am also surprised to find that the Christians here do not seem to know that the entire flood story is a Snare or Tra... <snip>
I'm guessing your teaching manuals are not making the rounds.
Jesus is perfect. A Christian church is supposed to encourage its followers to be like Jesus. Jesus believed that the Bible was the inspired word of God; that it was perfect; that everything in it was true. Jesus believed in Noah and the flood, in Adam and Even, in Sodom and Gomorrah and in all the miracles chronicled in the Bible. We expect imperfections in men but not in the cannons of our faith. The Great Flood is no more impossible than the resurrection of Christ. If you believe only in the possible, then you don't believe anything written in the Bible and you have no faith.it's not a cult. no church is going to be perfect. i'd rather the anglicans than being taken in by a white suited, super rich, stage hypnotist, or any other assortment of money grabbing heretics.
If you teach that the Bible is a book of lies then you are a false teacher. If your church teaches that the Bible is a book of lies then it's a false church.
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