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Unless of course god like's the fact atheists use their reasoned logic, and the joke's on you guys.I'm not buying this argument.
Does it matter to an atheist what version exists, if God is?
After all, any version would be a wake-up call to an atheist.
How old are you?Wouldn't that be a hoot. I can see it now, AV and I die in a horrific accident on the same day. We get to San. Pedro at the pearly gates, and Pedro says to AV, sorry brother, you failed to used reasoned logic and assumed imaginary evidence where I left none. It's down to Gehenna for you. CaliforniaSun, OTOH, you were right to believe I never existed. I deliberately left no evidence of my concern or existence. Kudos, enter into eternal bliss, the cantina's on the right.
Younger than you and old enough to know better.How old are you?
Are you asking for "proof" - that is, an explanation that shows that it must be this way and cannot be any other way - or "evidence"?
This just as a clarification, so that afterwards one cannot say, "but it could be different". It could. We know that. Natural science does not deal with "proof".
As for evidence, ERVs are a good starting point. We know the mechanisms by which genetic material is transferred, and thus we can conclude to a common ancestry based on genetic similarity.
Yes, it could be different. Everything could be different. You can believe what you want. But you should be aware where the evidence points at.
A simple counterexample: make a genetic test on me and my father. It will show that we are related.
Could it be that I am not my father's son... that I wasn`t sired and born at all... but directly created by God?
How would you decide?
Younger than you and old enough to know better.
Suppose God created the common ancestor and evolution took over from there? Would that be so horrible?
I think God IS the common Ancestor. I believe He has placed within all of creation a part of Himself. That is why we see things with similar characteristics all across the board.
Certainly God could have made it that way, but He could have made it any way. Surely if gills are good for fish, they'd be good for at least one marine mammal?
The fact is, we don't see similar characteristics "across the board"; we see characteristics that are very compartmentalized and occur only in specific combinations and patterns, exactly as evolutionary theory predicts.
Yes, that i must be this way and cannot be any other way.
Then I fear you won't get what you are asking for. But may I ask why you insist to use this double standard for the views you agree and disagree with?
There are these concepts of "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and all that. Language is not precise, so that such ambiguities exist. You just have to be able to identify them.I understand this, too, and therefore, it does not give me nor ANYONE a concrete natural solution and it is still left to a person's belief system. What is a shame to me is that it is not merely perpetrated to the world a conclusion of proof but it is represented as "cannot be any other way." I doesn't matter where you go on this subject for information most represent it as proof positive and there "cannot be any other way" or conclusion.
But to come back to your double standard... can you or anyone give me a concrete supernatural solution... or am I free to believe that you are a Artificial Intelligence from a future parallel universe gone mad? Give me proof that you are what you claim! If you cannot, I can believe anything I can imagine.
The "valid reasons for disagreeing" is where we... disagree. Again I perceive the common theistic double standard. Just consider the example I made about my father and me... you considered it ludicrous. You didn't even consider it, consider my potential "valid reasons" for disagreement.I understand this and I can even see WHY the conclusion, ALTHOUGH there are those that have other reasons why in some cases they do not conclude and they give their valid reasons for disagreeing.
So think! If you will disregard the same "valid reasons" that you use for case A in an equally "unprovable" case B... what does that say about the validity of your reasons?
No, you cannot make this conclusion... at least not without arbitrarily making comparisons and exclusions.But from my vantage point I think that that same evidence can also be concluded for a Creator's design.
"No, you would not be directly created by God." An answer without the slightest attempt of an explanation.I guess I don't get what you are alluding to here. It sounds somewhat ludicrous.
I guess you are asking here about the father/son counterexample which I have already declared to be somewhat ludicrous butt... IF I understand what you are asking, this is the best way I can answer you. No, you would not be directly created by God.
Could it be that you are aware that you don't have any explanations... that you cannot have any explanations beyond personal preference?
This is the question we have to ask in such a case: what could we see that would hint at a descend? What could we see that would hint at a special creation? Are there any other explanations for what we observe? Can we exclude/include these explanations? For what reasons?
We know that lifeforms procreate. We now know what material is used and transferred when lifeforms procreate. We know how such material behaves, and what can influence it.
We can analyse this hereditary material in, say, chimps and humans and may conclude: hey, they are very similar. They are related!
Or we can conclude: no, they are indeed similar... but they very specially made to be similar. Yep, that's it! This is a valid reason to disagree with the first variant! They could have been made this way!
We can analyse the hereditary material in, say, two humans - Freodin Sr. and Freodin Jr. - and my conclude: hey, they are very similar. They are related!
Or we can conclude: no, they are indeed similar... but specially made by a common designer using the same design. Oh no, no way. Impossible! This is not a valid reason to disagree with the first variant. They were definitly not made this way.
Do you see the double standard?
Ask yourself this: Is there any possible evidence which you would accept as disproving your theory that god did it? Anything at all?It's true that God could have made it any way but He didn't and I suspect considering the marvelous and complex detail that He put into ALL of creation, that He had specific reasons why He didn't do it just "any" way. One day I will ask Him. Hope you are there to hear the answer or perhaps you will discover why.
Ask yourself this: Is there any possible evidence which you would accept as disproving your theory that god did it? Anything at all?
And it's a bit off topic but why not ask him his reasons today?
Do you want God to answer him?I had a guy tell me he prays to god every day for word that it is time to start killing the atheists.
Why? what if God answers him with: "Thou shalt not kill" ?maybe when he gets his Answer I should just kill myself?
Do you want God to answer him?
Why? what if God answers him with: "Thou shalt not kill" ?
They probably aren't True Christians.Or possibly...
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Probably one of those people who say they are Christian and in reality are not!
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