Nathan Poe
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five minutes. But you're on the record as saying it definately is both 4.5 billion years and 6,000 years old.
Omphalos.
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And what age range am I on record - (more than one) - as stating this earth definitely is not?
I'd rather pwn you than ignore you --- as I am about to do.
The goal here should be to discuss how the Biblical accounts of the flood relate to any scientific evidence that supports it or not,
but ultimately, to win others to Christ, not "win" an argument or play a game of one up-man-ship.
Should we not always be asking ourselves in our comments: will this convince others to embrace Christianity, or turn to something else?
And what age range am I on record - (more than one) - as stating this earth definitely is not?
five minutes. But you're on the record as saying it definately is both 4.5 billion years and 6,000 years old.
Second time, Nathan Poe:
What age range am I on record - (more than once) - as stating this earth definitely is not?
First time, AV1611VET:
Who cares? Do you really think I or anyone else cares about your semantics and equivocations?
Then don't tell me I'm Omphalos --- or I'll tell you you're a liar.
Ya --- good job reporting me, whoever did it. I'd rather have an infraction and tell you liars what you are than spend the rest of my time here defending myself against Omphalos any day.
You are on record as saying the earth has only existed for 6,100 years. The age of something is the same as how long it has existed. It does not matter whatever other total nonsense you have spouted about the earth not being 6,100 years old you are on record as saying that it has existed for only 6,100 years which is the same as saying that it is 6,100 years old.You, too, Bandersnatch.
You are on record as saying the earth has only existed for 6,100 years. The age of something is the same as how long it has existed. It does not matter whatever other total nonsense you have spouted about the earth not being 6,100 years old you are on record as saying that it has existed for only 6,100 years which is the same as saying that it is 6,100 years old.
Your slightly modified Omphalos hypothesis about God creating a billions of years old earth 6,100 years ago is still a version of the Omphalos hypothesis (though an incredibly illogical version) whether you are willing to admit it or not.
I don't think AV1611VET is lying by any stretch of the imagination, but I agree with Frumious Bandersnatch here. This goofy differentiation between embedded age and embedded history is just semantic wrangling from a confused mind.
AV1611 obviously is scared of the science that he doesn't feel comfortable outright stating its "wrong" about the measured age of the earth, but he also doesn't want to make God think he's too scared to agree with Bishop Ussher, so he force fits these two things in his mind.
This is why religion is corrosive to rational thought in my opinion.
I wouldn't go this far -- certainly religion can be and often is beneficial to personal well-being, but like most things, taken in excess...
I never said AV was lying about this particular subject. He seems to really believe the delusion that a 4.5 billion year old earth could have been created 6000 years ago and he clearly does not understand that his absurdly illogical "embedded age" claim is as much Omphalos as appearance of age.I don't think AV1611VET is lying by any stretch of the imagination, but I agree with Frumious Bandersnatch here. This goofy differentiation between embedded age and embedded history is just semantic wrangling from a confused mind.
I don't want to speculate about his motivation but it is clear that all relevant science indicates that the earth is far older than Ussher's chronology and that the flood of Noah, if real, was local and not global.AV1611 obviously is scared of the science that he doesn't feel comfortable outright stating its "wrong" about the measured age of the earth, but he also doesn't want to make God think he's too scared to agree with Bishop Ussher, so he force fits these two things in his mind.
I don't agree with this blanket statement but it is clear that AV is far from thinking rationally on this subject.This is why religion is corrosive to rational thought in my opinion.
According to the Omphalos Hypothesis, how old is the earth?
And what age range am I on record - (more than one) - as stating this earth definitely is not?
Yeah, you're probably right. I did overextend my point a bit. But it does seem that religion can in some extreme cases facilitate poor thinking.
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