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"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.”

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How we can save our Christian values in this modern era?


A true Christian is the one who is devoted towards God and understands the importance of God worshiping. No matter what children dream to be, but religious education provides the strong foundation necessary to prepare them for a life of service that honors God.

The most important tool parents and teachers have been given to educate
children is the Bible.

The Word of God provides the basis for a quality Christian education. Proverbs 1:7a says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge.”

God is therefore central to the development of character. The ultimate objective of Christian education is that God will be recognized and obeyed in all areas of life. Regardless of the class or subject, Christian education looks to the Bible for absolute truths. The learning process is initiated from the christian pre-schools where the main focus is on the physical, spiritual, mental and social development of the children.

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1 John 4:16-18

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. NIV

The 'fear' in Proverbs has more to do with reverence than being frightened. We are great security in God's love for us.

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1 John 4:16-18

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. NIV

The 'fear' in Proverbs has more to do with reverence than being frightened. We are great security in God's love for us.

John
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have you looked up the word fear in ancient greek? I have and it doesnt just mean "reverence". If they only expected reverence than they wouldnt say fear. Also look at the context of that statement and who wrote it! Saints live a life that they are unaware of any sins that they commit. The 21st century is a lot different to that time, and unless your some saint i would be a bit more concerned. Or do you live in perfect love? i doubt it. Oh I can quote scripture too!


Matthew 7: 21-23
21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."


yeh, not so much security there, looks like you should be extra careful.

Genesis
22:12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

Exodus

14:31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the Lord displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the Lord and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.

deutoronomy
5:29 Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever!

Jeremiah

5:22-24 Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord. "Should you not tremble in my presence? I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross. The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail; they may roar, but they cannot cross it. But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts; they have turned aside and gone away. They do not say to themselves, 'Let us fear the Lord our God, who gives autumn and spring rains in season, who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.'

Did you read that? it said "Should you not tremble in my presence"!!!!!!theres heaps more but if your another christian who likes ignoring the old testament than ill give you some from the New.

Acts

7:30-32 "After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to look more closely, he heard the Lord's voice: 'I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.' Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

Ephesians

6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

1 Peter

3:14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened."

1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

- note how reverent is followed by fear. A distinction is made.



Revelation

15:4 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."

19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!"

I think the apostles, prophets and saints knew exactly how to conduct themselves when it came to God. Dont pick and choose the aspects of God you like and ignore the rest because they mess up your hippy go lovey notion of God. Clearly God is too be feared, and Jesus tells you why


Luke
12:4-5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Now, if you still have that hippy go lovey God which countless folks love to idealise in their mind, lol you need a reality check. Life aint all fairies and unicorns. Afterall, the very measure of your soul is at stake! Eternal Judgement!! If thats not scary for you, nothing is.
 
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I will reply briefly.

have you looked up the word fear in ancient greek?

Proverbs was written in Hebrew, not Greek.

OT:3374 yir'ah (yir-aw'); feminine of OT:3373; fear (also used as infinitive); morally, reverence:

yirah OT:3374, "fear; reverence." The noun yirah appears 45 times in the Old Testament. It may mean "fear" of men Deut 2:25, of things Isa 7:25, of situations Jonah 1:10, and of God Jonah 1:12; it may also mean "reverence" of God Gen 20:11.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

Of course our God is awesome. That can produce wonder, praise, deep respect and a sense of otherness that is overwhelming. John knew that. He was on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured and the Father appeared. Yet, he is known as the disciple of love, and it was from his writing I first quoted. Paul follows a similar theme in Ephesians where he says that the very foundations of our lives is to be love:

Eph 3:17-19
17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. NIV

To live in constant fear is to not live in freedom, but bondage. That was the state of the pagans, not those who committed themselves to the 'good news (the gospel).

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I will reply briefly.

have you looked up the word fear in ancient greek?

Proverbs was written in Hebrew, not Greek.

OT:3374 yir'ah (yir-aw'); feminine of OT:3373; fear (also used as infinitive); morally, reverence:

yirah OT:3374, "fear; reverence." The noun yirah appears 45 times in the Old Testament. It may mean "fear" of men Deut 2:25, of things Isa 7:25, of situations Jonah 1:10, and of God Jonah 1:12; it may also mean "reverence" of God Gen 20:11.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

Of course our God is awesome. That can produce wonder, praise, deep respect and a sense of otherness that is overwhelming. John knew that. He was on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured and the Father appeared. Yet, he is known as the disciple of love, and it was from his writing I first quoted. Paul follows a similar theme in Ephesians where he says that the very foundations of our lives is to be love:

Eph 3:17-19
17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. NIV

To live in constant fear is to not live in freedom, but bondage. That was the state of the pagans, not those who committed themselves to the 'good news (the gospel).

John
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So you are strictly referring to proverbs verse than? Because the other verses i quoted refer to more than "reverence". Im aware that much of the old testament was written in Hebrew while the New Greek. But there should always be a consistent translation. To be God fearing is living in bondage, why is that such a bad thing? If it stops you from sinning and keeps you on the path surely it cant be a negative? Your supposed to be a slave to Christ anyway, your already in bondage. To live in fear wasn't only the state of pagans, it was the state of saints, prophets and apostles. Theres no law that says you cant be afraid and still happy.
 
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If so then why did John tell us that love casts out fear? Or as children of God - surely love not fear is the basis of good family life?

Probably my deepest discomfort is from your implied theology. What sort of heavenly Father wants his children to live fearfully? To constantly live within your perspective contradicts the Scriptures where love is to be our very foundation. Your God is somewhat schizophrenic, or some less than ideal heavenly monster.

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If so then why did John tell us that love casts out fear? Or as children of God - surely love not fear is the basis of good family life?

Probably my deepest discomfort is from your implied theology. What sort of heavenly Father wants his children to live fearfully? To constantly live within your perspective contradicts the Scriptures where love is to be our very foundation. Your God is somewhat schizophrenic, or some less than ideal heavenly monster.

John
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perfect love casts out fear, not love.Since i know none that have attained this, fear is a powerful tool that can help you. Im not saying that its all about the fear, but i'm not going with the notion of its all about the love. Living fearfully isn't a negative, if it keeps you in line. God will be judging you, an eternal judgement, if you live with fear you are more likely to ensure your doing His will, if you focus only on the love then it is easy to sin because you believe "its ok, He loves me". God is the ONLY being your supposed to fear. God isn't some hippy in the sky, the bible clearly shows that, Theres more than just love to God, to believe in only that is to create your own idealised deity.
 
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If so then why did John tell us that love casts out fear? Or as children of God - surely love not fear is the basis of good family life?

Context. Different kinds of fear in different situations.

Your God is somewhat schizophrenic, or some less than ideal heavenly monster.

If you don't fear God, then your god is not worthy of worship.

Those attributes of God that we fear are the same ones that cause us to worship Him: Holiness, Justice, and Righteousness.
 
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Context. Different kinds of fear in different situations.



If you don't fear God, then your god is not worthy of worship.

Those attributes of God that we fear are the same ones that cause us to worship Him: Holiness, Justice, and Righteousness.

thats it bud!
 
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