THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

a-lily-of-peace · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
If you will turn to Phil chapter 2 you will find every being in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld worshipping, yes worshipping, IN/EN the Name of all names.

Do mean Philippians 2:9-11?

In Luke 16:19-31 the rich man in hades calls Abraham “father Abraham” but in John 8:39 Jesus says that if the people were Abraham’s seed, they would do as he does. So as in Luke 6:46 with calling Christ Lord.

I don’t feel convinced that you’ve demonstrated repentance of the dead, but I really do default to knowing that mercy is not a judgement that can be philosophised or argued among us. It’s entirely at his will.

I’m more likely to hope you’re right than to want to prove you wrong, but if you are wrong, it’s somehow even more sad, because so many times he called his sheep to come home, and the end of that thought may be nothing but a pile of dead tare husks waiting to be swept away if the judgement is against transforming them to wheat.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 23, 2020

As all died in Adam, all are made alive in Christ.

Jesus paid the debt for the whole world.

So he is the saviour of all mankind, and especially those that believe.

Do you think Adam is greater than Jesus?

Every knee will bow, every tongue confess.

Do you see the total victory of Christ as a mere Roman triumph, enemies forced to genuflect?

God wins by making His enemies His friends.

How can this be done? By baptism of fire and the Spirit, outpouring on all flesh. By destroying the real enemies: Babylon, sin, death, and the devil.

By cleansing and healing creation. Behold! I am making all things new, the time of restoration of all things of which the prophets spake. See the Son, see the Father.

Do you deny God's will to save all creation, or just His power?

Have a little faith there brother, for nothing is impossible with God, and miracles are commonplace in His Kingdom.

Just as He promised Abraham that through him all nations of the world will be blessed, so that covenant was sealed in holy blood at Calvary, so it will be delivered in the eschaton - there shall be no more curse, and the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations.

And the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon ALL, for he (Yahushua God's Salvation) is the omega, the end, the consummation of the ages. As all things proceed from God, so too shall all return. Exitus et reditus.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
I appreciate your excellent clarification. The Father of all fathers has placed His purpose firmly within Himself. It is neither haphazard or uncertain & will be realized in every last minute detail!

Father’s Superior Plan A =

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

This cut and paste is for all those who did not get it the last 5 or 10 times it was posted here.

FineLinen · Apr 23, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I asked what your point was because your not making one. Posting a meme does not change any of the content of your post as it is simply a distraction to the discussion. How does what your posting prove all men will be saved when the scriptures teach all men will not be saved? Isn't your interpretation contradicting the scriptures?

Dear St. Paul: I hate to inform you but the Lover of God's Word posts all will not be saved. The "whole" creation is not pas but tis. It is not the radical all of pas but only some/tis.

Adam1 = the polus "made sinners"

Last Adam = [tis] "made righteous"

Albion · Apr 23, 2020

There are about a half-dozen verses in Scripture that seem to hint at (just that, hint) universal salvation.

The problem is that they are simply overwhelmed by the number of other verses that seem to say the opposite, and in no uncertain terms!

FineLinen · Apr 23, 2020

Albion said:
There are about a half-dozen verses in Scripture that seem to hint at (just that, hint) universal salvation.

The problem is that they are simply overwhelmed by the number of other verses that seem to say the opposite, and in no uncertain terms!

Our word for today = "seem".

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
As all died in Adam, all are made alive in Christ.

Jesus paid the debt for the whole world.

So he is the saviour of all mankind, and especially those that believe.

Do you think Adam is greater than Jesus?

Every knee will bow, every tongue confess.

Do you see the total victory of Christ as a mere Roman triumph, enemies forced to genuflect?

God wins by making His enemies His friends.

How can this be done? By baptism of fire and the Spirit, outpouring on all flesh. By destroying the real enemies: Babylon, sin, death, and the devil.

By cleansing and healing creation. Behold! I am making all things new, the time of restoration of all things of which the prophets spake. See the Son, see the Father.

Do you deny God's will to save all creation, or just His power?

Have a little faith there brother, for nothing is impossible with God, and miracles are commonplace in His Kingdom.

Just as He promised Abraham that through him all nations of the world will be blessed, so that covenant was sealed in holy blood at Calvary, so it will be delivered in the eschaton - there shall be no more curse, and the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations.

And the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon ALL, for he (Yahushua God's Salvation) is the omega, the end, the consummation of the ages. As all things proceed from God, so too shall all return. Exitus et reditus.

Amen dear friend nice post. Now how does this teach that some by their free will, choose not to receive the free gift of God's dear son and the free gift of Gods Grace shed by his own blood at calvery to all those who hold out the hand of faith? Do the scriptures teach many are called and few are chosen or all are called and all are chosen?

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
Our word for today = "seem".

I like this response to this but it is not mine. I saw it in another thread as this post is only a cut and paste and a response by @JacksBratt ....

That would be funny if it were true. However, I've never ever heard of a drowning person that wasn't shouting "save me, save me.. help help". If not by words.. by actions and they will actually drown the person who is offering help.. in efforts to get to safety.

So... nope.. not true.

That may be the way you look at it.. however others look at it like this:

A man was stuck on the roof of his car in raging flooded river... He prayed to God to rescue him.

1st a man with a life saving ring swam out with a rope to offer to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks, God will save me".
2nd a man in a boat risked the torrents to go out to the man to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks God will save me"
3rd a helicopter came and lowered a rope.
The man again refused stating "No thanks, God will save me"

He drowned..

At the pearly gates he asked St. Peter why God didn't save him..

St. Peter said... "What are you talking about? He sent a man with a rope, a boat and even a helicopter.... and you refused them all."

mmksparbud · Apr 23, 2020

martymonster said:
Here's the problem: You can't just take a verse, and take it at face value. The wages of sin is death, yes, but what death a we talking here? If you read the bible very much, you'll know that there is more than one. You'll also be aware that God does not consider physical death to be death. It's funny, he just does not seem to be interested in the physical at all, for some reason?

Luk 8:49 While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.
Luk 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.
Luk 8:51 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden.
Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

So the wages of sin clearly aren't physical death, because that is obviously not death, according to Christ.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

So absolutely the wages of sin are death, but does that mean physical death? No, the wages of sin are death to the old man, and that's a good thing. The old man must die, before the new man can can come, and that new man is Christ.

LOL!! Death is death! It means cease to exist! God did not tell Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree they would burn in hell forever, He did not say they would go through the lake of fire and be tortured awhile, He did not say they would have to crucify the old man with Christ and live with Him--- He said they would die--period. Nothing vague about it. Jesus referred to death as sleep----the first death. He did not say the 2nd death is sleep---no one wakes up from the 2nd death!

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You are, of course, free to believe whatever you want. We shall shortly find out anyway. However, if people are putting of salvation, and living for Christ now, thinking they have a 2nd chance, someone is going to have hell to pay for that!! It's gettong to where we're all repeating the same stuff over and over again---lost track of how many times this makes.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear St. Paul: I hate to inform you but the Lover of God's Word posts all will not be saved. The "whole" creation is not pas but tis. It is not the radical all of pas but only some/tis.

Adam1 = the polus "made sinners"

Last Adam = [tis] "made righteous"

So this answers my question to you how exactly?

a-lily-of-peace · Apr 23, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
A man was stuck on the roof of his car in raging flooded river... He prayed to God to rescue him.

1st a man with a life saving ring swam out with a rope to offer to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks, God will save me".
2nd a man in a boat risked the torrents to go out to the man to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks God will save me"
3rd a helicopter came and lowered a rope.
The man again refused stating "No thanks, God will save me"

He drowned..

At the pearly gates he asked St. Peter why God didn't save him..

St. Peter said... "What are you talking about? He sent a man with a rope, a boat and even a helicopter.... and you refused them all."

Luke 13:34

FineLinen · Apr 23, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
As all died in Adam, all are made alive in Christ.

Jesus paid the debt for the whole world.

So he is the saviour of all mankind, and especially those that believe.

Do you think Adam is greater than Jesus?

Every knee will bow, every tongue confess.

Do you see the total victory of Christ as a mere Roman triumph, enemies forced to genuflect?

God wins by making His enemies His friends.

How can this be done? By baptism of fire and the Spirit, outpouring on all flesh. By destroying the real enemies: Babylon, sin, death, and the devil.

By cleansing and healing creation. Behold! I am making all things new, the time of restoration of all things of which the prophets spake. See the Son, see the Father.

Do you deny God's will to save all creation, or just His power?

Have a little faith there brother, for nothing is impossible with God, and miracles are commonplace in His Kingdom.

Just as He promised Abraham that through him all nations of the world will be blessed, so that covenant was sealed in holy blood at Calvary, so it will be delivered in the eschaton - there shall be no more curse, and the leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations.

And the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon ALL, for he (Yahushua God's Salvation) is the omega, the end, the consummation of the ages. As all things proceed from God, so too shall all return. Exitus et reditus.

Dear Shrewd: You have arrived in the nick of time (lol).

The Hermit gave up & St. Steve has become lost in his wonderful theme & failed to show up. I am becoming discombobulated and beginning to think I have read the Father's words wrong.

Quick, throw out a lifeline.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear Shrewd: You have arrived in the nick of time (lol).

The Hermit gave up & St. Steve has become lost in his wonderful theme & failed to show up. I am becoming discombobulated and beginning to think I have read the Father's words wrong.

Quick, throw out a lifeline.

Perhaps dear friend it is God's Spirit calling you back to His Word because he loves you. It is the Holy Spirit that is talking to you. Perhaps you can pray about it and seek JESUS through his Word your self. That is the only way to know God's truth and he has this promise for you if you turn away from men and seek him through his Word *JOHN 16:13; JOHN 14:26. God's lifeline is his Word will you take it?

mmksparbud · Apr 23, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I like this response to this but it is not mine. I saw it in another thread as this post is only a cut and paste and a response by @JacksBratt ....

That would be funny if it were true. However, I've never ever heard of a drowning person that wasn't shouting "save me, save me.. help help". If not by words.. by actions and they will actually drown the person who is offering help.. in efforts to get to safety.

So... nope.. not true.

That may be the way you look at it.. however others look at it like this:

A man was stuck on the roof of his car in raging flooded river... He prayed to God to rescue him.

1st a man with a life saving ring swam out with a rope to offer to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks, God will save me".
2nd a man in a boat risked the torrents to go out to the man to save him.
The man refused stating "No thanks God will save me"
3rd a helicopter came and lowered a rope.
The man again refused stating "No thanks, God will save me"

He drowned..

At the pearly gates he asked St. Peter why God didn't save him..

St. Peter said... "What are you talking about? He sent a man with a rope, a boat and even a helicopter.... and you refused them all."

LOL! When I saw that cartoon I said that what everyone was failing to understand is that the lifegaurd jumped in and tried to saved them---they drowned Him. I like yours -- silly cartoon. Good louck---I've gone through this too many times---going now. No one pays any attention to the vesres that totally debunks the universalism concept anyway. They just ignore them, as though that is going to make them go away!

Shrewd Manager · Apr 23, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Amen dear friend nice post. Now how does this teach that some by their free will, choose not to receive the free gift of God's dear son and the free gift of Gods Grace shed by his own blood at calvery to all those who hold out the hand of faith?

Is there any measure of victory in human will to be found in scripture my brother?

One is either a slave to sin, eyes veiled to the gospel by the god of this world, blinded by the sorceries of Babylon, or one is a prisoner freed, a slave liberated, a blind man whose sight is restored, a leper cleansed, a lame leaping like a deer, a dead man raised.

Which of these has the power to become free in Christ of their own volition? What fallen man can make a 'free and informed choice'? What choices did Israel make to lead them to Calvary? That road can only lead to death.

It is by revelation, by the irresistible amazing grace of God, that men are drawn to Him. He ventures forth to retrieve every last lost sheep. He sweeps the house to find the lost coin.

For who can stand in His presence? Our hearts melt, the chief of sinners becomes his greatest apostle. How shall the clay say no to the one who formed it? The earth takes shape as clay under seal. 'Come' say the Spirit and the Bride. All things made new by God in Christ.

Albion · Apr 23, 2020

mmksparbud said:
However, if people are putting off salvation, and living for Christ now, thinking they have a 2nd chance, someone is going to have hell to pay for that!!

Not to confuse the issue further but only for clarification's sake, that's not the scenario as Universalists see it, though.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
Is there any measure of victory in human will to be found in scripture my brother?

One is either a slave to sin, eyes veiled to the gospel by the god of this world, blinded by the sorceries of Babylon, or one is a prisoner freed, a slave liberated, a blind man whose sight is restored, a leper cleansed, a lame leaping like a deer, a dead man raised.

Which of these has the power to become free in Christ of their own volition? What fallen man can make a 'free and informed choice'? What choices did Israel make to lead them to Calvary? That road can only lead to death.

It is by revelation, by the irresistible amazing grace of God, that men are drawn to Him. He ventures forth to retrieve every last lost sheep. He sweeps the house to find the lost coin.

For who can stand in His presence? Our hearts melt, the chief of sinners becomes his greatest apostle. How shall the clay say no to the one who formed it? The earth takes shape as clay under seal. 'Come' say the Spirit and the Bride. All things made new by God in Christ.

All faith dear friend is found in God's Word and this is the victory that overcomes the world even our faith *1 JOHN 5:4. Our faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. JESUS is the living Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4;14 and it is through the Word of God we find JESUS where he says all things are possible to those who believe and follow his Word. The victory has already been won. It is a gift of God to those who have faith. For those who do not believe there is no faith and if there is no faith there is no victory.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 23, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear Shrewd: You have arrived in the nick of time (lol).

The Hermit gave up & St. Steve has become lost in his wonderful theme & failed to show up. I am becoming discombobulated and beginning to think I have read the Father's words wrong.

Quick, throw out a lifeline.

Dear F.L., how could I have been so remiss to have overlooked this thread. You've been left to hold the high line against a multitude. Like many bulls of bashan.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 23, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
Dear F.L., how could I have been so remiss to have overlooked this thread. You've been left to hold the high line against a multitude. Like many bulls of bashan.

ZZZzz Goodness please this one did make me laugh a little. No disrespect.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 23, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
All faith dear friend is found in God's Word and this is the victory that overcomes the world even our faith *1 JOHN 5:4. Our faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. JESUS is the living Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4;14 and it is through the Word of God we find JESUS where he says all things are possible to those who believe and follow his Word. The victory has already been one. It is a gift of God to those who have faith. For those who do not believe there is no faith and if there is no faith there is no victory.

Is faith an act of will my friend? No, it is a gift from God. The faith OF Christ is what saves us. We are invited to step into that faith, and drink of the cup that never runs out.

And ultimately, ALL SHALL DO SO, as it is His will, and grace abounds over sin.

mmksparbud · Apr 23, 2020

Albion said:
Not to confuse the issue further but only for clarification's sake, that's not the scenario as Universalists see it, though.

They may word it however they want---bottom line is---those in the lake of fire will come out and live forever with Christ---boils down to Christ is not even needed---everyone comes out of the fire anyway---repentant or not. It is a second chance, it is that it really doesn't matter what you do in this earth, for you'll just suffer a while in the fire and then get eternal life anyway. Yah--- I know they like to make it sound like Jesus really does count and it is not a 2nd chance---but it is. You can put lipstick on the pig all you want---it's still a pig.

THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Well-Known Member

Through him, in all things, more than conquerors.

Well-Known Member

Senior Veteran

Facilitator

Senior Veteran

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Senior Veteran

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Through him, in all things, more than conquerors.

Facilitator

Well-Known Member

Through him, in all things, more than conquerors.

Well-Known Member

Through him, in all things, more than conquerors.

Well-Known Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency