THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

ClementofA · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi all I have noticed in this forum that there is a handful of people going around and consistently promoting a dangerous false teaching called “Universalism” which is based on twisting and cherry picking the scriptures out of context to try and teach that God does not hold anyone accountable for sin and that all people will be eventually saved. I will post why I believe this to be a false teaching that is not biblical shortly.

That, in the beginning of the first post of this thread, is one of many posted misrepresentations of universalism by several different annihilationists in the thread, including at least 2 SDA.

It's a misrepresentation of universalism to state, as you do above, that it "does not hold anyone accountable for sin". Wrong, wrong, wrong!

LoveGodsWord said:
What do the teachings of universalism (everyone will be saved no matter what they do) means to you?

That's rather confused or misleading. Everyone will not be saved "no matter what they do", even if they don't have faith or keep sinning. Everyone must receive & believe in Christ & Him crucified to be saved.

LoveGodsWord said:
Today there are over 40,000 different form of Christianity most representing false teachings and false messengers (prophets) which are another sign of the end times *MATTHEW 24:24.

So most Christians will be lost & 100% of non Christians? What would be your chance if you were raised in an almost 100% Muslim nation? Practically 0% chance of ever being saved? Many have never even heard the gospel.

agapelove · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:

I love that even your memes are made of straw! Look around... you are the only one who's arguing that the death of the One and Only Son is not good enough to save everyone.

ClementofA · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The doctrine of UNIVERALISM makes a mockery of the cross and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of grace *HEBREWS 10:26-39 claiming that the wicked get a free pass and can continue in known unrepentant sins for which JESUS died and receive eternal life without accepting God's gift of grace through faith.

Wrong, the doctrine of universalism does not make a mockery of the cross. Rather it advocates that the crucifixion of Christ for all will not be wasted for even one being He shed His blood for. His blood will not go to waste.

Wrong, universalism does not do despite to the Spirit of grace. It shows the power of that Spirit of grace to conquer all. Where sin abounds, grace exceeds (Rom.5).

That statement is misrepresenting Christian universalism. As a Christian universalist i do not believe the "wicked get a free pass" but will be punished in "hell". What you sow you reap, Paul says.

As a Christian universalist i do not believe anyone "can continue in known unrepentant sins for which JESUS died and receive eternal life without accepting God's gift of grace through faith". So that's another misrepresentation. To be saved one must accept God's gift of grace through faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb.11:6).

FineLinen · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really dear friend. God's Word is not gobbleydook, The gobbleydook is....

Your idea that the word of God and your many wearisome words are synonomous.

You think our Glorious God (of purpose within Himself) is one of chance.

This is your mission for today, lover of chance, find all references to chance in the New Covenant.

Perhaps I can help you along?

Take a boo at the koine senkiria, & head over to the verb ei tuchoi and report back at your earliest convienience.

senkiria =

ei tuchoi =

Shrewd Manager · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no such thing as endless annihilationism.

But according to you there is such a thing as absolute conditionalism?

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ There is no scripture that teaches that the wicked are saved after the second coming. The scriptures provided show that the wicked are destroyed after the second coming. Did you read them?

Your response...

agapelove said:
How come you did not answer my questions?

My response...

LoveGodsWord said:
Already did in the post you are quoting from. Why did you not answer my questions?

Your response...

agapelove said:
Your question was 'Did you read them'? Obviously I read them that is how I know "second coming" was mentioned 0 times.

Actually no. All through this thread I have been asking you and those who believe in UNIVERSALISM where is the scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming when the scriptures teach the wicked are destroyed? Here we are 72+ pages and no answers. All I hear are crickets.

If you read the scriptures you would know that the wicked are destroyed after the second coming not saved at the second coming. This is God's Word not mine. Do you not believe these scriptures? If not why not if they are Gods' Word?

agapelove said:
If that deadline is so urgent why is it not explicitly stated in ANY scripture that you can find? In fact I cannot find an expiration date anywhere in the Bible. Psalm 136 tells us how long God's love lasts and felt it so important that it had to be stated 26 times.

Nonsense read the previous section of this post. Here let me spell it out for you so everyone can see...

What will happen to the wicked at the second coming???

2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10
[6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU;
[7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS,

Note reference one to the second coming. Now pay attention and lets see what happens to the wicked...

[8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST

Did you hear that? Boom taking vengence on who? Yep on those who do not know what? Yep the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now what will God's vengence be on the wicked?

[9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER;

Pay attention to two things here in v9 (1) the punishment of the wicked is what? Yep EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord. Now note point (2) here; when is the everlasting desturction? From the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power. When is that? Yep reference 2. SECOND COMING!

[10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

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CONCLUSION: 2 THESSALONIANS shows God's vengence to the unrepentant wicked is eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord at the when? Yep SECOND COMING v7 and v9. That wasn't so hard now was it?

Your welcome.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Where did you ever address this:

Mt.1:21 refers to "His people" who will be saved from their sins. That's "Israel" (Mt.2:6), the nation referred to in the Old Testament, including all those who died in their sins, e.g. King Saul, Judas, the Pharisees, etc. This is truly "good news", not the bad news of Calvinism, SDAism, etc.

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

The "His people" referred to are Israel (2:6) of the context. IOW people like Judas Iscariot, the son of perdition, & the Pharisees who were blaspheming Christ & or the Holy Spirit, etc.

I think I am going to give up responding to you as you do not read my posts. You do not address the content in my posts that prove why your in error and all your doing is cuting and pasting the same content over and over. So from now on if you post the same content that has already been addressed and you ignore it. Please do not expect me to chase my posts up to you. If I do not repond to you now you know why. Responded to this already like like your other repititions. See post # 1430 linked. Please do not expect me to chase up posts that have already been addressed in the future. If someone has spent the time responding to you please show some courtesy in responding back instead of cut and paste repitition. It is you that has not responded by ignorin the scriptures and content of the posts shared with you. I do not mind you disagreeing with anything I have been sharing with you but at the very least if you disagree perhaps you can show why like I do for you?

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Where did you ever address ALL of the following comments:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

"Paul declares, however, that the effects of Christ's obedience are far greater for mankind than the effect of Adam's fall. For the third (5:15) and fourth (5:17) times in this chapter he makes explicit use of the 'qal wahomer' ("from minor to major") form of argument that is commonly used in rabbinic literature, expressed by "much more"...cf. earlier use at 5:9,10...And as in the case of the typology previously used (5:14), here, too, the form of the argument is antithetical. The grace of God extended to humanity in the event of Christ's death has abounded "for the many" (5:15b), which corresponds to the "all" of 5:12,18. The free gift given by God in Christ more than matches the sin of Adam and its effects; it exceeds it..."

"Contrasts are also seen in the results of the work of each. Adam's trespass or disobedience has brought condemnation (κατάκριμα, 5:18); through his act many were made sinners (5:19). Christ's "act of righteousness" results in "justification of life" (δικαίωσιν ζωῆς) for all (5:18). The term δικαίωσιν can be translated as "justification" (NIV, NRSV; but RSV has "acquittal") - the opposite of "condemnation". The word ζωῆς ("of life") is a genitive of result, providing the outcome of justification, so that the phrase may be rendered "justification resulting in life". 108

108. BDAG 250 (δικαίωσιν): "acquittal that brings life". The construction is variously called a "genitive of apposition", an "epexegetical genitive" or "genitive of purpose". Cf. BDF 92 (S166). The meaning is the same in each case: justification which brings life."

"The universality of grace in Christ is shown to surpass the universality of sin. Christ's "act of righteousness" is the opposite of Adam's "tresspass" and equivalent to Christ's
"obedience", which was fulfilled in his being obedient unto death (Phil 2:8). The results of Christ's righteous action and obedience are "justification resulting in life for all persons"...5:18...and "righteousness" for "many" (5:19). The term "many" in 5:19 is equivalent to "all persons", and that is so for four reasons: (1) the parallel in 5:18 speaks in its favor; (2) even as within 5:19 itself, "many were made sinners" applies to all mankind, so "many will be made righteous" applies to all; (3) the same parallelism appears in 5:15, at which "many" refers to "all"; and (4) the phrase "for many" is a Semitism which means "all", as in Deutero-Isaiah 52:14; 53:11-12; Mark...10:45; 14:24; Heb.12:15. The background for Paul's expression is set forth in Deutero-Isaiah, where it is said that "the righteous one"...the Lord's servant, shall make "many" to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their sins ...Isa.53:11..."

"It is significant, and even astounding, that justification is here said to be world-embracing. Nothing is said about faith as a prerequisite for justification to be effective, nor about faith's accepting it."

(Paul's Letter To The Romans: A Commentary, Arland J. Hultgren, Eerdmans, 2011, 804 pg, p.227, 229)

DITTO" already address a number of times already your just repeating yourself again. How about you answer my reply? Most recent one to ROMANS 5:18-19 here linked. The last section of this your post here is only filller and not relevant to anyones argument accept your claims

"It is significant, and even astounding, that justification is here said to be world-embracing. Nothing is said about faith as a prerequisite for justification to be effective, nor about faith's accepting it."

Which was also answered in another post attached to ROMANS 5:18-19 that you can go and chase up. As it is simply a claim divorced from the rest of the bible as there is no justification without faith in God's Word see EPEHSIANS 2:8-9; ROMANS 14:23 and JOHN 3:16-21.

Please stop the repitition and read and address my posts if you disagree show why like I do for you.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Let's be clear. It is not my view that the unrepentant wicked will be saved at the time of the second coming. This is in response to your query: "Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved?"

Also i would point out that Col.1:20 says peace has been made already through the blood of the cross:

16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Since "peace" has been "made...through the blood of the cross", how can God let anyone end up being tortured or terminated from existence forever? Likewise since God is not holding men's sins against them (2 Cor.5:19) how can any be lost forever?

"I am aware of 'this pastor'. The verse which hit him like a ton of bricks as he wrestled with a congregant challenging him with Ultimate Reconciliation was the following;

COL 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

"As he went through the doorway the Spirit of Truth challenged him saying; "What needs to be reconciled 'IN HEAVEN'?" After all, nothing in the heavenly realm needs reconciling
but demons. Like the song says; "There is power power in the blood of Jesus." More power and a better plan, than the nominal church can even believe. To have ears to hear, one must loosen the death grip on what they believe."

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Question: Where are the "principalities" and "powers" (v.16 above)?
Answer: They are "in heavenly places":

Eph. 3:8 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God

Question: Who are the "principalities" and "powers" (v.16 above)?
Answer: They are wicked and not human:

Eph.6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Now, with that knowledge, read Col.1:16, 20 again:

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

""I am aware of 'this pastor'. The verse which hit him like a ton of bricks as he wrestled with a congregant challenging him with Ultimate Reconciliation was the following;

COL 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

As he went through the doorway the Spirit of Truth challenged him saying; "What needs to be reconciled 'IN HEAVEN'?" After all, nothing in the heavenly realm needs reconciling but demons. Like the song says; "There is power power in the blood of Jesus." More power and a better plan, than the nominal church can even believe. To have ears to hear, one must loosen the death grip on what they believe."

"...found only in Christian writers...reconcile everything in his own person, i.e. the universe is to form a unity, which has its goal in Christ Col 1:20..." (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament & Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG), 3rd edition, 2000, p.112).

"...Jesus existed before all things, He created all things, He holds together all things, and He will reconcile all things. And what does it mean for God to "reconcile to himself
all things"? It is clear that the word reconcile means more than squashing opposition. It means a full restoration of peace and harmony."

"...The "all things" of verse 20 is as extensive as the "all things" of verse 16. So just as God created everything and everybody through Christ, so He will reconcile everything
and everybody through Christ (not everything except most of humanity!). The universe will be completely restored to its original perfection and peace. No one will be at enmity
with God or with one another. He will completely fulfill "the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure"—"to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one
head, even Christ" (Ephesians 1:10). Going from the depths of mankind's depravity to the total reconciliation of everyone to God and to each other will be more glorious than if we had never fallen in the first place. The restoration of every single relationship to perfect harmony through the work of reconciliation on the cross will be the most spectacular demonstration imaginable of the grace and justice and wisdom and power and love of God."
http://blogs.christianpost.com/amba...e-heart-of-gods-grand-plan-for-creation-7138/

"Just as His glories in creation take us back to the very beginning, so the greater glories of reconciliation take us to the very consummation. The universal reconciliation cannot be fully accomplished till the close of the eonian times, when all sovereignty and authority and power and even death are rendered inoperative (1Cor.15:24-27)...(Concordant Commentary, AE Knoch, 1968, Col.1:20, p.303).

There is a parallel here:

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

It's quite astonishing that many insist that the parallel of aionios in Mt.25:46 means the word must be of the same meaning & duration in both instances, but they don't apply the same reasoning to other passages with parallels, such as Col.1:20 above and these:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die - so also - in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Read more: What does Matthew 25:46 mean? (Gomorrah, Gospel, unpardonable, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum

What this has to do with what you are quoting from I have no idea? All the scriptures you have provided here have already been addressed in detail proving context and showing that the application your making to the wicked being saved is in error. I think you may have gone overboard on this website cut and paste stuff dear friend. How about a dicussion? How does anthing you have posted here prove that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming? It doesnt. Give me your best scripture and let's discuss the detail. What have you got to lose if you believe you have the truth? Something to think about. All you are doing is what I have shown to you in nearly everyone post of yours I have responded to and that is to take the scriptures out of their context to try and claim that the scriptures that are to talking about the saved are in reference to the wicked. Fact is every time I have addressed your post the context proves you wrong. Instead of responding all you do is cut and paste and repeat yourself without addressing the content in the posts shared with you.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
No more sacrifice for sins applies to those forgiven as well:

Heb.10:18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. (NASB)
Heb.10:18 But where there [is] remission of these, [there is] no longer a sacrifice for sin. (DBY)
Heb.10:18 and where forgiveness of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (YLT)

The meaning is not that if they sin they can't be forgiven. They can (1 Jn.1:9). The same applies to those of v.26. So your argument is a failure.

The meaning of no more sacrifice for sin is that Christ's sacrifice ended all sacrifices for sin. There are no more. There will be no more.

His sacrifice is sufficient to take away everyone's sins & that is exactly what it will do:

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Taking away the world's sin (Jn.1:29) shall make the world sinless. So, yeah, all will be saved.

Your cutting and pasting your repitition again. Already addressed and answered in detail here linked. Your just repeating yourself while ignoring my post to you. Goodness I am kind of getting tired of this to be honest dear friend. It seems your not here for a discussion at all.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Clearly i regarded the context & proved my argument from the context:

Verse 11 refers to all mankind, including the lost sinner:

1 Cor.3:11 For other foundation can no one lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Verse 11 says that "no one" can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid which is Jesus Christ. The words "no one" are not limited to the saints in Corinth, but refer to all mankind. This is the last reference identifying any group of people in the next several verses leading up to v.15. Thus prior context and the more immediate following context of v.15, namely v.17, both refer to lost sinners. That is the context in which verse 15 is to be interpreted as to who it should refer to:

1 Cor.3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

It is the sins of "wood, hay & stubble" that are to be burned away:

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Whereas silver represents the redemption of Christ & those of silver are those who have faith in it, wood, hay & stubble have no silver in them, hence such have no faith.

The context of Matthew 5:25-26, both before & after those 2 verses, is making references to Gehenna. Verses 21-26 have to do with anger & being reconciled & v.22 warns of Gehenna. In verses 27-30 the subject is adultery & v.30 warns regarding Gehenna.

Matt 5:25-26 Come to terms quickly with your adversary before it is too late and you are dragged into court, handed over to an officer, and thrown in jail. I assure you that you won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

"They must pay (as GMac says) the uttermost farthing -- which is to say, they must tender the forgiveness of their brethren that is owed, the repentance and sorrow for sin that is owed, etc. Otherwise they do stay in prison with the tormenters. (their guilt? their hate? their own filthiness?) At last resort, if they still refuse to let go that nasty pet they've been stroking, they must even suffer the outer darkness. God will remove Himself from them to the extent that He can do so without causing their existence to cease. As Tom Talbot points out so well, no sane person of free will (and the child must be sane and informed to have freedom) could possibly choose ultimate horror over ultimate delight throughout the unending ages."

Mt.18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon...
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Compare the torment of Mt.18:34 with torment in LOF passages in Rev.14:9-11 & 20:10.

Your repetition cut and paste again without addressing the content in my post to you again. Already answered here linked. I have addressed your above cut and paste post here more than once now. So will not be doing it agan.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
No, your still not addressing the issues:

I did address them by stating this:

You can either believe some human opinion, like that of John Gill that you posted, or you can choose to believe Lam.3:31-33 above. Your choice. Up to you.

And the context doesn't change this:

Lam.3:31For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
33For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve THE CHILDREN OF MEN. (KJV, emphasis mine)

Nonsense. How would you know what i read or didn't read? Can you read minds? Are you omniscient? I did read the human opinions you posted. And addresss them (see above). What else is there to say. Nothing in them changed Lam.3:31-33 KJV or refuted anything i said. If you think so, point it out & explain why. That's the proper way to do things.

So what? Lam,3:31-33 KJV - EXPANDS upon that and goes further to include "men" in general. Or do you not believe what is in front of your eyes? Or do you think God cannot speak of both Israel and "men" in general in the same context? That would be limiting God, wouldn't it? Would you want to limit God? Should that not worry you?

Here you just repeat your previous comments with some empty fluff added. Nothing changes the facts that i've posted above. So should you not be worried?

Nonsense. Your just repeating yourself again. LAMANTATIONS 3 was addressed in detail showing the context you left out that proves why your interpretation of the scriptures is in error. I am not bothered with this until you try addressing my post that proves why your in error by ignoreing context.

Your claims here have been clearly refurted already in a post you have not even bothered to read or address. I have shown you already the context you left out of these scriptures that prove that LAMENTATIONS is in regards to ISRAEL'S (God's peoples) punishments for sin. Why you continue to ignore this is beyond me. As shown earlier through the scriptures....

Sorry dear friend but LAMENTATIONS 3 is over ISRAELS afflictions (God's poeple) for departing from God and sinning against him and returning to God in repentance. Context matter dear friend. Your leaving it off again...

[26], It is good that a man should both hope and quietly WAIT FOR THE SALVATION OF THE LORD.
[27], It is good for a man that he bear the yoke of his youth.
[28], He sits alone and keeps silence, because he has borne it on him.
[29], He puts his mouth in the dust; if so be there may be hope.
[30], He gives his cheek to him that smites him: he is filled full with reproach.
[31], FOR THE LORD WILL NOT CAST OFF FOR EVER:

[39], WHY DOES A LIVING MAN COMPLAIN, A MAN FOR THE PUNISHMENT OF HIS SINS?
[40], LET US SEARCH AND TRY OUR WAYS, AND TURN AGAIN TO THE LORD.
[41], LET US LIFT UP OUR HEART WITH OUR HANDS TO GOD IN THE HEAVENS.
[42], WE HAVE TRANSGRESSED AND HAVE REBELLED: YOU HAVE NOT PARDONED.

Detailed scripture response already provided here linked

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Nope. You've never addressed this post's remarks: After people are judged & cast into the lake of fire (LOF) there will be a new heavens & earth (Rev.20, 21). The dwelling place of God's people will be the New Jerusalem (Rev.21:2-3) & therein - there - will be no more death or pain.

Yep true.

ClementofAAt the same time said:
Yet death will remain & not be abolished in the lake of fire, for torments there will continue "into the ages of the ages" (Rev.14:11; 20:10).

No. Death is destroyed is the last thing destroyed with the unrepentant wicked *1 CORINTHIANS 15:25-26. You do know about the Saint 1000 year milinium reign and the second death of the wicked right? (REVELATION 20:2-15). The lake of fire is the second death. You do also know about the two resurrections right? (JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:4-6; 1 THESSALONIANS 4:14-18).

ClementofA said:
1 Cor.15:22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified." 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;" 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power." 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him." 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)" (CLV)

Repeitition again. Already addressed in detail here linked

ClementofA said:
And the seventh messenger did sound, and there came great voices in the heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of the world did become those of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign into the ages of the ages!' (Rev.11:15)

9 And a third angel followed them, calling in loud a voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or hand, 10 he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up into the ages of ages, and they have no respite day and night who do homage to the beast and to its image, and if any one receive the mark of its name. (Rev.14:9-11)

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev.19:20)

and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- into the ages of the ages. (Rev.20:10)

No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4 They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5 And night shall not be any more, and no need of a lamp, and light of the sun; for the Lord God shall shine upon them, and they shall reign into the ages of ages. (Rev.22:3-5)

The verses above indicate Christ & the saints shall be reigning "into the ages of the ages", including the millenial age & the age when the lake of fire (= the 2nd death) is abolished. But 1 Cor.15:25 says Christ's reign is UNTIL He has put all enemies under His feet. Since He is still reigning at the time of Revelation 20-22, all enemies are not yet under His feet. So neither is God yet "All in all" (1 Cor.15:28) nor is death [e.g. 2nd death] abolished yet.

So death is not abolished (1 Cor.15:26), since that is associated with the end of Christ's reign (v.25) & will not happen till He quits reigning. Also those humans who died a second death in the lake of fire, which is the second death, are still dead, so death is not yet abolished (v.26). As long as the second death remains & is not abolished, death is not abolished as per v.26.

No. Your confused here dear friend. The righteouss saints that are dead in Christ are resurrected at the second coming *THESSALONIANS 4:14-18 while the wicked that are alive at the second coming are killed by the brightness of his coming * 2 THESSALONIANS 2:8 and await the resurrection of condemnation (second resurrection) and the second death *REVELATION 20:6. All Christs enemies are put under his feet at the second coming. At this time the saints reign with Christ 1000 years *REVELATION 20:2-15 and at the end of this reign the unrepentant wicked dead are resurrected (second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29) to receive the judgement of the wicked and the second death in the lake of fire. At that time all the wicked are destroyed as is death itself and the devil and his angels *REVELATION 20:14; REVELATION 21:8; MATTHEW 25:31-41. No where does it say in the scriptures you provided that the wicked are living together with the saints at the second coming.

ClementofA said:
Neither is "all rule and authority and power" yet nullified (1 Cor.15:24) by Revelation 21-22. There are still kings in the earth (Rev.21:24). There is still the throne of the Lamb & the saints reigning (22:3,5). So neither is death abolished or God "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28). God cannot be "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28) while there are still those in the second death & those being tormented in the lake of fire (Rev.14:9-11; 19:20; 20:10).

See above the Kings of the earth in REVELATION 21:24 are the righteous KINGS, the saved and those who took part in the first resurrection. V24.. the nations of them which are saved..
see also v27 there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

ClementofA said:
In Revelation 22:2 we also have leaves that are for the healing of the nations. Who at this time would need healing?

For Gods saints. Those who took part in the first resurrection.

Continues on from REVELATION 21:27 in regards to the resurrected righteous saints. The tree of life is for the saved not the unsaved or the unrepentant wicked *REVELATION 21:27 to REVELATION 21:1-7 then if you read REVELATION 21:8 it says that the wicked have no part in REVELATION 21:1-7.

ClementofA said:
Eventually God will be making all new (Rev.21:5) & will be "in all" (1 Cor.15:28).

REVELATION 21:5 is in relation to the wicked not living until the second resurrection of condemnation and the second death in the lake of fire. While 1 CORINTHIANS 15:28 is in relation to the enemies of JESUS being under his feet in sujection to him. This obviously takes place at the second coming as there are only the saints, JESUS and the angels for 1000 years until the second resurrection and the second death *REVELATION 20:2-15

ClementofA said:
The abolishing of death means an end to the death of those in the second death, which means their resurrection "in Christ" as per 1 Cor.15:22-28.

Hmm what?

ClementofA said:
Fortunately no "eternal death" ever appears in the Sacred Scriptures (66 books of the Bible). To the contrary, death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

Nonsense. The second death is eternal. This is where the unrepentant wicked go who have no right to the tree of life *REVELATION 22:1-8. The wicked receive the second death to no longer be resurrected because they reject the gift of God's salvation when they were alive and counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing not accepting God's grace through faith *HEBREWS 10:26-39. Now they reap the wages of their sins which is DEATH because they rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23 and are not found in the Lambs book of life. There is only death for the wicked and no third resurrections anywhere in the scriptures for the wicked dear friend. The rest of your post is repitition.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
You don't believe in Gehenna, Hades, the lake of fire referred to in my post:

No I do not believe in eternal burning Hell to which your post was mainly referring to. Yes I believe in the lake of fire. Look at your greek words the application to Hell is different depending on the scriptures your referring to as different greek words are used for Hell that have different meanings.

ClementofA said:
God speaks of "the sons of humanity", not believers only as you would change His word. Shouldn't changing His word worry you? I think i'll take God at His word, instead of your alteration of it:
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it. Clearly everything has a positive purpose to it: "to humble them" (Eccl.1:13). Whether it was flooding the earth that killed those outside the ark or whatever "evil" occurs to men, God has given it to "humble them". Including those who will go to Gehenna (Mk.9:43-49), the Valley of Hinnom, which is on earth & "under the heavens".
We know "hell" (Hades/Sheol, Tartarus, Gehenna, the lake of fire, the abyss, etc) is also "under the heavens". Evidently the humans there, if any, are for their own good, being humbled too. See Eccl.1:13 above.

I have not changed anything from the scriptures in Gods' Word you have. This has been demonstrated all through this thread by showing the context of the scriptures you have leaft out of your interpretation. Your reading the scriptures through the blurry lenses of UNIVERSALISM. Nothing in this post you have provided here says that the wicked will receive everlasting life at the second coming by God's correction. The scriptures teach that the wicked will be destroyed at the second coming. The scriptures your providing are written for God's people and have application to God's people not the wicked. You do not seem to understand this though. I am sorry dear friend I do not believe what you teach is biblical. Thanks for sharing your view though. For me I believe only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Where is the scripture that says that the wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming?

Your response...

ClementofA said:
Where is the scripture that says that the wicked NEVER receive everlasting life after the second coming? You don't have even one do you? I know.

WRONG answer dear friend. You have no scipture do you showing that that wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming do you? I think I have provided you with enough scripture proving that the wicked will be destroyed after the second coming and being resurrected to the second death in the lake of fire by providing 2 THESSALONIANS 1:8-9; REVELATION 21:7-8; MATTHEW 25:31-41; REVELATION 22:11-16; HEBREWS 10:26-39 and HEBREWS 6:4-8 etc etc. I have already shown you the scriptures that show that the wicked are destroyed at the second coming in order to go to the second resurrection for the second death. I will show you more if you show me your scripture that teaches that the wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? Though close to 1500 posts and and 75 pages latter I won't hold my breath .

ClementofA said:
Where is the Scripture says God's love expires like a carton milk at the second coming & He is impotent to save, & will be bitter, resentful & hateful to the wicked for all eternity?

More of your cut and paste repitition. God is love and does not expire *1 JOHN 4:8. Where is the scripture that teaches that God does not hold us accountable for known unrepentant sin? Here is mine saying he does *HEBREWS 10:26-39. If there was no penalty for sin JESUS would not have to die on the cross for our sins. UNIVERSALISM makes a mockery of the death of JESUS. Yet it is only in God's justice and judgement for sin that God's love is revealed to mankind. Yet UNIVERSALISM cannot see this because it denies Gods love revealed in God's justice and judgement for sin.

ClementofA said:
You've been given the universal salvation Scriptures repeatedly in this thread & lightly dismissed them saying they speak of believers. Is that any way to study the Bible honestly & objectively in the sight of God?

Well it looks like you did not do too well. Every scripture you gave me including those of your cut and paste website material did not say what you were claiming they were saying. This was demonstrated by showing the context of the scriptures you left out or who ever wrote the post article.

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ All your doing cut and pasting and repeating yourself and not addressing the scriptures I have shared with you

Your response here..

ClementofA said:
You know that is not true. I've addessed your failed "proof texts" here:

No it is true. You have not addressed the content of my posts that address your posts and simply cut and pasted and repeated yourself. I do not call that addressing the scriptures I shared with you showing the context you leave out of the scriptures you supplied do you?

ClementofA said:
Heb.10:26:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!
Heb.10:27:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

HEBREWS 10:26-39 a response to your posts above showing scripture context proving your claims are in error here and ignored by you...
THE FALSE TEACHING OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post 1436 linked)

ClementofA said:
Matthew 25:41:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

If you read your post here it does not address MATTHEW 25:41. It only provides a few different translations that does not change the meaning of the scrpitures shared with you. How does this address the scripture? It doesn't. Once again I am still waiting your reply.
THE FALSE TEACHING OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1428 reponse linked)

ClementofA said:
2 Thess.1:9
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

This was the post you were caught out on where you tried you use a Lexicon to claim that 2 THESSALONIANS was saying something that it was not. This was shown to you here...
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE! (post # 1382 linked)

ClementofA said:
Rev.21:7-8:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

You did not address anything in REVEALTION 21:7-8 accept to provide an opinion that it was not saying. Sorry I still cannot see what you have addressed here or why you think that these scriptures do not say what they say they are saying. I read what you posted here but did not think it was worth my time replying. Nothing that you posted changes what REVELATION 21:7-8 says which is that the Saint inherit all things and the wicked are cast into the lake of fire and receive the second death.

REVELATION 21:7-8
[7], HE THAT OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS (the saints); and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.[8], But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH (the unrepentant wicked).

ClementofA said:
Matthew 22:14:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Already adressed here you simply did not respond. Nothing you posted in your link changes the meaning of the scriptures that many are called but few are chosen as shown in this post and the scriptures provided that you did not respond to here..
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE! (post # 1429 linked)

ClementofA said:
Rev. 22:11:
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

This was not even worth a reply as nothing you posted in this link changes the meaning of the scriptures in REVELATION 22:11. You simply danced around the scripture and ignored the scripture that proclaims his reward is with him. I posted this scripture only to show that the cases of the saints and unrepentant wicked are decided before the second coming. You posted nothing in your response to prove otherwise. Happy to discuss it further if you want to just let me know.

ClementofA said:
And these are a few of those you haven't addressed:

Really? Of did I already respond to them and you are the one that has not responded back? Lets check if I have responded or not.

ClementofA said:
1 Cor 15:22-28
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Nope responded here
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1448 linked)
Responded before that here.
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1426 linked)

ClementofA said:
Eccl 1:13
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Nope this one is answered here. You were trying to apply scriptures to the saints to the wicked claiming God's correction. That was your error.
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1427 linked)

ClementofA said:
Lam 3:31-33
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

Nope this one has been addressed also showing the context you left out of your claims to LAMANTATIONS 3 which was in regard to repentant ISRAEL. This was shown here in many posts you simply ignores. Here is one here..
THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1422 linked)

...............

So nope none of your claims are true here dear friend. Let's add one more for fun. Most of the scriptures you have provided with your interpretation of them to the wicked have been shown in error when the context is added back in. This has been shown over many posts but the most recent being here...

THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE (post # 1430 linked)

To which you ignored again and simply respond with your cut and paste without addressing anything and simply repeat yourself.

Hope this is helpful.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
No, all of this is salvation after Christ's second coming

What nonsense. Post me a single scripture. Your best one. That says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? You have no posted a single scripture. Goodness be honest. I think I have addressed every single scripture so far you have tried to post and not one of them says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming.

ClementofA said:
You don't believe in Scripture? I posted scriptures which reference Gehenna (KJV, "hell") which is the lake of fire. If you believe in Scripture & the lake of fire, then you should not have so lightly dismissed this

Indeed I love scripture. I do not believe your interpretation of the scriptures though but I have been honest enough with you to show why by providing the scriptures context you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures being to the wicked when they are actually to the rightouess all through this thread for example here linked. All you do is simply repeat your posts and cut and paste information from other Universalism websites without addressing the content of the posts that is shared with you that prove your leaving out context in the scriptures you provide that distort your interpretation of the scriptures. I dissmiss your application of the scripture that are not biblical that you have not made a case for. How is anything you have posted in relation to hell relavant to our discussion? Most of the content you share here is not even your own work. I think that is why you will not have a discussion with me.

ClementofA said:
Mt.18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon...34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Yes, a parable. Your point here? How does this parable show that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? When God's Word says they receive destruction and the second death?

ClementofA said:
Furthermore, the context of Matthew 5:25-26, both before & after those 2 verses, is making references to Gehenna. Verses 21-26 have to do with anger & being reconciled & v.22 warns of Gehenna. In verses 27-30 the subject is adultery & v.30 warns regarding Gehenna.

Yep so? What is your point?

ClementofA said:
Matt 5:25-26 Come to terms quickly with your adversary before it is too late and you are dragged into court, handed over to an officer, and thrown in jail. I assure you that you won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

"They must pay (as GMac says) the uttermost farthing -- which is to say, they must tender the forgiveness of their brethren that is owed, the repentance and sorrow for sin that is owed, etc. Otherwise they do stay in prison with the tormenters. (their guilt? their hate? their own filthiness?) At last resort, if they still refuse to let go that nasty pet they've been stroking, they must even suffer the outer darkness. God will remove Himself from them to the extent that He can do so without causing their existence to cease. As Tom Talbot points out so well, no sane person of free will (and the child must be sane and informed to have freedom) could possibly choose ultimate horror over ultimate delight throughout the unending ages." Why affirm belief in Hell?

ZZzz I already told you I do not believe in eternal burning hell fire. This was one of the reasons I dismissed your websites post as it was not relavant to our conversation.

ClementofA said:
Heb.10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Generally capital punishment under Moses' law was by stoning. Stoning to death is not a very sore or long lasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.

Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed that wicked, rebellious, Christ rejectors would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death. Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily

All repitition again you have already posted in about 4-5 other placed that has already been addressed that is still waiting for a response from you. The lattest one I think is here linked.

Do you have something to share accept repitition and cut and paste over and over dear friend?

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Hi all I have noticed in this forum that there is a handful of people going around and consistently promoting a dangerous false teaching called “Universalism” which is based on twisting and cherry picking the scriptures out of context to try and teach that God does not hold anyone accountable for sin and that all people will be eventually saved. I will post why I believe this to be a false teaching that is not biblical shortly.

Your response...

ClementofA said:
That, in the beginning of the first post of this thread, is one of many posted misrepresentations of universalism by several different annihilationists in the thread, including at least 2 SDA.

I think the first posts claims have been proven in this thread already. So best let others decide. Even though I am outnumbered here I am not as God is my strength and I love his Word and it is in his Word I trust.

ClementofA said:
It's a misrepresentation of universalism to state, as you do above, that it "does not hold anyone accountable for sin". Wrong, wrong, wrong!

Says who? Someone that believes, promotes and teaches Universalism who cannot provide a single scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming when the scriptures directly teach that the unrepentant wicked are destroyed and receive the second death after the second coming of JESUS?

ClementofA said:
That's rather confused or misleading. Everyone will not be saved "no matter what they do", even if they don't have faith or keep sinning. Everyone must receive & believe in Christ & Him crucified to be saved.

True but this happens before the second coming not after. If you wait until after the second coming all you will receive is the second death according to the scriptures. I choose to believe and follow God's Word how about you?

ClementofA said:
So most Christians will be lost & 100% of non Christians? What would be your chance if you were raised in an almost 100% Muslim nation? Practically 0% chance of ever being saved? Many have never even heard the gospel.

Not at all but the majority will. God's people are in every church faith and religion even Universalism. But the hour is coming and now is that the true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a spirit though and those who worship him must woship him in Spirit and in truth

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

agapelove said:
I love that even your memes are made of straw!

Well golly gee and here is silly me all this time thinking yours were the unbiblical ones made of straw?

agapelove said:
Look around... you are the only one who's arguing that the death of the One and Only Son is not good enough to save everyone.

The teachings of Universalism denys God's justice and judgement not me. This is where I see God's love to all mankind in sending His only begotten son that whoshoer believes on his shall not perish but have everlasting life.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

ClementofA said:
Wrong, the doctrine of universalism does not make a mockery of the cross. Rather it advocates that the crucifixion of Christ for all will not be wasted for even one being He shed His blood for. His blood will not go to waste. Wrong, universalism does not do despite to the Spirit of grace. It shows the power of that Spirit of grace to conquer all. Where sin abounds, grace exceeds (Rom.5).

Not really dear friend. The teachings of Universalism denies God's justice and judgement for sin. This is where it makes a mockery of the cross and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of grace *HEBREWS 10:26-39 claiming that the wicked get a free pass and can continue in known unrepentant sins for which JESUS died and receive eternal life without accepting God's gift of grace through faith.

ClementofA said:
That statement is misrepresenting Christian universalism. As a Christian universalist i do not believe the "wicked get a free pass" but will be punished in "hell". What you sow you reap,

Yes you do. You believe that the unrepentant wicked are saved after the second coming do you not? Or you believe that God tortures them in the lake of fire until they repent and agree to follow him and receive everlasting life right? That is not the loving God I know from the bible.

ClementofA said:
Paul says. As a Christian universalist i do not believe anyone "can continue in known unrepentant sins for which JESUS died and receive eternal life without accepting God's gift of grace through faith". So that's another misrepresentation. To be saved one must accept God's gift of grace through faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb.11:6).

I do not believe that Paul was a Universalist and I believe warned against such teachings. So what is it your kind of contradicting yourself here dear friend. How are the unrepentant wicked saved in your view after the second coming? Universalism has no scripture to claim that the unrepentant wicked are saved after the second coming. This teaching is simply unbiblical as demonstrated throughout this thread.

LoveGodsWord · May 29, 2020

FineLinen said:
Your idea that the word of God and your many wearisome words are synonomous.

You think our Glorious God (of purpose within Himself) is one of chance.

This is your mission for today, lover of chance, find all references to chance in the New Covenant.

Perhaps I can help you along?

Take a boo at the koine senkiria, & head over to the verb ei tuchoi and report back at your earliest convienience.

senkiria =

ei tuchoi =

No thanks dear Fine. There is no second chances with the gambling lady of second chances. God is calling us away from the polluted waters of broken cisterns. To the living waters of eternal life.

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