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The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.

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There is only one final harvest. The sheep and goats are during the Trumpets. The wheat and tares are during the Thunders. A series of 13 events that are chronologically in order leading up to the 7th Trumpet.

THIS is at the 7th trumpet... obviously the goats couldn't have been harvested, since they're going to be tossed into Armageddon as the vine of the earth... aka tares. (These guys will make war on the remnant, and we can expect to see the Inquisition happen again: The tares of the 10 kingdoms will be pretending to be the wheat... just as they do today. But the remnant will have given glory to God, and will keep the Commandments of God which were given to Jesus Revelation 12:17.)

Revelation 10:1-7 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow upon his head, and his face as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and left on the earth, 3 And cried with a loud voice, as a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The Mystery of God is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, Matthew 13:11... the preaching of which ends Matthew 24:14 with the death and resurrection of the Two Witnesses:

Revelation 11:12-15 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past; behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

... and then shall the end come. The third woe: the devil come down to earth:

Revelation 12:7-12 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The tares take the mark of the beast... and the reaping happens:

Revelation 14:14-16 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud [one] sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Revelation 14:17-20 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God.20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs.


Nonsense, the harvest of the wheat is the harvest of good fruit, not bad. If you think this harvest needs judgment, you must also think the Galilean Disciples needed to be purged by fire... regardless of what Jesus Himself already said to the contrary.
When Jesus came back glorified, He breathed on His 11 and sent them into the world as He had been sent by the Father. They didn't hang around Jerusalem... which Jesus had already said was a house desolate Matthew 23:38-39... and wouldn't recover their hearing or sight until the land shall be left desolate, Esaias LXX Isaiah 6:8-13.
This hadn't happened yet, in Jesus' day, because Jesus says the Pharisees are blind leaders of the blind Matthew 15:14, and tells them to their face the same thing, only worse... John 9:39-41.
There were several men named Peter and John and James, back in the day... even in the NT verses. To think otherwise would be to think Jesus' own prophecies could fail.
 
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Let me know when you can read what exactly happens during the 7 Thunders, before you just dismiss the harvest of the wheat and tares.
 
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Let me know when you can read what exactly happens during the 7 Thunders, before you just dismiss the harvest of the wheat and tares.

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
 
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The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.
I must say that I myself came to this understanding 2 days ago. Then I went searching for others who came to this realization and came across your thread. I believe God showed me that the 1st beast cannot be the AC. I have wondered why the FP was never mentioned anywhere in the book of Daniel. That is when the light when on, he was, he is the little horn. Then God showed me that the 8th king is also the LH/FP. After that, everything fell into place. Like you, I also believe the head wound will be the plucking up of the 3 horns. As for the first beast, personification is being employed when describing the final kingdom of this age.
 
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My friend Doctor Greg Clark on the antichrists​


John writes that “many antichrists have come”, reminding us that there has been great opposition to Christ ever since he was born (remember how Herod killed all the babies in Bethlehem trying to get to Jesus?). Throughout the whole Bible, we find characters who are ‘anti’ God’s plans—wicked men, foreign kings, false prophets and ‘the beast’ who features in Revelation 13. Even in Deuteronomy, there are warnings about the rise of prophets who lie and preach rebellion against the true God.

But is there going to be one mega-evil ruler who will deceive the world and lead millions astray and do things like brand ‘666’ on their foreheads?

Probably not. There are passages in the Bible which talk about a particular being who is Christ’s foe (e.g., “the man of lawlessness” in 2 Thessalonians 2 or the dragon of Revelation 12-13 who is identified as the Devil). But this kind of symbolic language is used to describe an attitude or spirit of evil rather than a single evil person. The fact that some parts of Scripture bring ultimate evil to a head by using an individual character to identify it probably says more about how dramatic literature operates than it does about predicting history.

The worst thing about antichrists is that they have come from within the church! The apostle John wrote that they “went out from us, but they did not really belong to us”. This is what antichrists do. They get among believers and try to deceive them, persuading them to believe lies and getting people to follow them and their deceptions rather than Jesus and his truth. They teach that Christ did not come in the flesh (1 Jn 4:1-3); they say it doesn’t matter whether you sin or not (1 Jn 1:5-10); and they neglect their Christian brothers and sisters (1 Jn 4:19-21).

According to God’s word, the antichrist might have sat next to you in the church pew. This isn’t a scene from a horror movie; quite the opposite-it is an everyday event. In this final age before Jesus returns, plenty of opponents of Jesus will arise. And they may even be in church, trying to deceive us and lead us into error. But Christians can be confident and at peace, because there will be a day when all ‘antichristness’ will be done away with.

It’s a bit of a waste of time trying to work out whether the antichrist is Boris Yeltsin, the Dalai Lama, Bill Gates or the Pope. It’s just as likely to be your granny or your next door neighbour, if they are promoting lies about our Lord.

Just make sure it isn’t you …

"See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. (1 John 2:24-25)"

The devil you know
 
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It’s a bit of a waste of time trying to work out whether the antichrist is Boris Yeltsin, the Dalai Lama, Bill Gates or the Pope. It’s just as likely to be your granny or your next door neighbour, if they are promoting lies about our Lord.
That commentary must have been some time back. Boris Yeltsin was over Russia 24 years ago.
 
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That commentary must have been some time back. Boris Yeltsin was over Russia 24 years ago.
And that's the point, isn't it? Where do we start with the 'end is nigh' futurists? The 400's, the Crusades, the Black Plague, the 1800's millennial cults (JW's, Mormons), the First World War, the Second World War, Hitler, various Soviet Presidents, various Muslim nations, the Cold War, the Gulf War, and on and on the history of failed predictions go. But the futurists are really truly-wooly right this time?

Yeah - get in line behind all the other false predictions. I'm Amillennial all the way. If John wrote Revelation to the church only to warn them about us here and now - then that book was IRRELEVANT to suffering Christians in his generation - who he was actually writing to comfort! - and irrelevant to ALL Christians for 2000 years.
 
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The next biblical event involving Israel is Gog/Magog. To take place in the latter years, latter days after the Jews have come out of the nations. Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16.

Which of those past thinkings took that into account ? And Isaiah 66:7-8. I just made a thread on those two verses.
 
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The next biblical event involving Israel is Gog/Magog.
Yeah - I've heard it all before. Really truuly wooly this time.

Except Matt 24 - no one knows the hour of that day.

1 Thess 5 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
 
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Yeah - I've heard it all before. Really truuly wooly this time.
In the last days, there will come mockers, where is the sign of his coming?

i.e. don't mock.
 
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In the last days, there will come mockers, where is the sign of his coming?

i.e. don't mock.
I'm not - I'm making a serious theological point!
Of course as a Reformed Protestant I accept the Lord will return.
I just happen to actually believe those verses that say we cannot know when!

Every other verse that seems to indicate we might recognise the time is actually talking about other things - like the arrival of the kingdom of God 2000 years ago, judgement on Israel 2000 years ago, etc.

I look back on the history of failed predictions and sigh. It's awful. It's embarrassing. It's a really bad look for the credibility for Christianity on display to a sceptical world. But does it stop the endless navel gazing of "What does Revelation mean TO ME?" No! What about hermeneutics? The other apocalyptic writings of the time - and how they were understood by people back then? Nope. It's all about what it means to me, what can I decode, on my own, in my own fevered imagination!? This is how cults start!

 
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Perfect. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executable.

- Yes, perfect. as is written in the Word of GOD (and the Scripture cannot be broken):

1) "there is an antichrist beast"-
Yes, Revelation 13:1. It's roots? Rev. 13:2


2) - "called that because the dragon is empowering him";
Yes, "the dragon gave him his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem),
and great Authority to the beast-Rev. 13:2, where also is revealed the roots of the beast Revelation 13:1. NOTE: There will be a partnership between the leader of Israel-the dragon-Revelation 13:11- with headquarter in Jerusalem, and the MAN beast leader whose headquarter is in the Vatican City. Rome-Italy. But one of the seven heads of this Beast will be wounded to death by the Sword-the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executable-, but his deadly wound will be healed because the beast of the earth like a lamb, a false lamb, actually a ruthless and esoteric false messiah-the dragon- will give to his partnership the first beast-Rev.13:1, his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem spiritually called Sodom and Egypt), and great Authority, and all the WORLD will be wondered after the beast, and they will worship the dragon which gave power unto the first beast:.

3)- Yes,"Jesus said there will be false Christ’s in the tribulation"
What did JESUS say? First the disciples came to JESUS for to shew Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. <-->This LITERALLY fulfilled in 70AD; The disciples privately also asked two things: 1- Tell us, what shall be the sign of thy coming? 2-and of the end of the world?
Then JESUS listed several events of PRE-TRIBULATION saying that they are the beginning of sorrows, as follow:

- 1- Appearance and manifestation of false Christs/messiah ;
- 2- Wars and rumours of war ;
- 3- nation shall rise against nation ;
- 4- and kingdom against kingdom; (Kingdom of GOD X Kingdom of Devil - Revelation 11:15 and 12:7-12- Take a look.) ;
- 5- famines ;
- 6- pestilences ; and
- 7- earthquakes in divers places.
- 8- all these are the beginning of sorrows.
JESUS warned. Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS).


4 - "and that the second beast is a false prophet, is what scripture outlines.
Yes. it is what Scripture says: Revelation 13:11-14:

11 I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth(Israel); and he had two horns like a lamb (a false lamb, a false messiah-John 5:43-47 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 and 9-12) , and he spake as a dragon. (It is he who will give Power, and Seat, and Authority to the first beast, and he world will worship the dragon who will give Power unto the beast:

12 And he (will) exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him (the dragon in his partnership with the first beast-Revelation 13:2- , he will occupy all religious structures of the 1st. beast across the world including universal structural patrimony, to establish his satanic and religious Empire, the Empire of Antichrist - Judaism and Catholicism-clay and iron), and will cause the earth and them which dwell therein to WORSHIP the first beast Revelation 13:1, whose deadly wound was healed. (healed by the dragon - Revelation 13:2)

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And (will) deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the first beast Rev.13:1; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by the Sword-the Word of GOD-, and did live.

As you above said, "is what scripture outlines".
 
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1) "there is an antichrist beast"-
Yes, Revelation 13:1. It's roots? Rev. 13:2

My friend Doctor Greg Clark on the antichrists​


John writes that “many antichrists have come”, reminding us that there has been great opposition to Christ ever since he was born (remember how Herod killed all the babies in Bethlehem trying to get to Jesus?). Throughout the whole Bible, we find characters who are ‘anti’ God’s plans—wicked men, foreign kings, false prophets and ‘the beast’ who features in Revelation 13. Even in Deuteronomy, there are warnings about the rise of prophets who lie and preach rebellion against the true God.

But is there going to be one mega-evil ruler who will deceive the world and lead millions astray and do things like brand ‘666’ on their foreheads?

Probably not. There are passages in the Bible which talk about a particular being who is Christ’s foe (e.g., “the man of lawlessness” in 2 Thessalonians 2 or the dragon of Revelation 12-13 who is identified as the Devil). But this kind of symbolic language is used to describe an attitude or spirit of evil rather than a single evil person. The fact that some parts of Scripture bring ultimate evil to a head by using an individual character to identify it probably says more about how dramatic literature operates than it does about predicting history.

The worst thing about antichrists is that they have come from within the church! The apostle John wrote that they “went out from us, but they did not really belong to us”. This is what antichrists do. They get among believers and try to deceive them, persuading them to believe lies and getting people to follow them and their deceptions rather than Jesus and his truth. They teach that Christ did not come in the flesh (1 Jn 4:1-3); they say it doesn’t matter whether you sin or not (1 Jn 1:5-10); and they neglect their Christian brothers and sisters (1 Jn 4:19-21).

According to God’s word, the antichrist might have sat next to you in the church pew. This isn’t a scene from a horror movie; quite the opposite-it is an everyday event. In this final age before Jesus returns, plenty of opponents of Jesus will arise. And they may even be in church, trying to deceive us and lead us into error. But Christians can be confident and at peace, because there will be a day when all ‘antichristness’ will be done away with.

It’s a bit of a waste of time trying to work out whether the antichrist is Boris Yeltsin, the Dalai Lama, Bill Gates or the Pope. It’s just as likely to be your granny or your next door neighbour, if they are promoting lies about our Lord.

Just make sure it isn’t you …

"See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. (1 John 2:24-25)"

The devil you know
 
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My friend Doctor Greg Clark on the antichrists​

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how​


 
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Any eschatological futurist can just insert any person or regime or thing they don't like into Revelation 13's 'beast'. Most of the theologians I respect say the beast coming up out of the sea represents both the chaos and unpredictability of the sea, and the fact that this was how ancient Rome approached the region John was writing to! Rome’s persecution of the church was inspired by Satan, but carried out by local officials. The false beast even pretends to have died and risen again like Jesus! But it’s all pretence. The mark of the beast on the back of the right hand and the forehead are like the Shema prayer in the Old Testament - only instead of praying to God - the image here is of someone who gives into Rome and prays to the Emperor instead. It’s all about Rome, but all symbolism in the apocalyptic style which was so common back then. (200 BC to 200 AD).

What we learn is that when governments go bad under Satan’s influence, Christians are to remember not to pay the ‘white stone’ to the emperor of the day - but to wait for the stone God will give them in heaven. (Chapter 14). Apparently Nero’s name spells out 666, but it is also a double-image because that’s the false trinity - man’s number (created on the 6th day and working 6 days) repeated 3 times in an unholy trinity. Again - don’t worship the emperor’s of your age. This is all written to John’s generation ABOUT John’s generation - that through it all subsequent generations of Christians could understand how to deal with the beast-governments in their day. With patience and great endurance - as John says he himself is enduring in Chapter 1. And just like Thessalonians or Ephesians or Romans or any of the other letters written to a specific people in a specific time in history, subsequent generations of Christians can learn and take heed without the passage necessarily being written to our ABOUT them! For more on this try these: The Apocalypse

World's End - Undeceptions
 
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What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing/executable. Revelation 16:13-15
The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs. Why frogs?

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of GOD Almighty. (the LORD's Day arrived)

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.<---> As happened in the garden of Eden-John 3:8-11.

Be careful or then get ready


 
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What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing/executable. Revelation 16:13-15
I agree - and the WORD OF GOD says no one but the Father knows the hour of the Lord's return ("That day" in Matthew 24)
THE WORD OF GOD which is never wrong says..

1 Thess 5 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

The word of God says we will not know when. So why are you trying to construct some timetable as if the Word of God says we WILL know when?
 
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I'm not - I'm making a serious theological point!
This in the red part I highlighted of your post is mocking... "Yeah - I've heard it all before. Really truuly wooly this time."
 
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Are you copying an article by someone else who is referring to Dr Greg Clarke as their friend ?

Do you have a link to Dr Greg Clarke, informing who he is ? Or maybe a link to a You Tube video by him ?

That link you provided was an article written back in 1999 - 24 years ago.
 
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And he's still my friend today.
He was CEO of the Bible Society of Australia for a while there.
And I don't care how old the article is - the bible is 2000 years old and we still quote that.
 
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