The Evolution of Morality

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

biggles53 said:
Anger's a good sign....it frequently is being fuelled by your own doubts...

No it is fueled by unwarranted and completely intolerant so called tolerant people who have no understanding of Christianity and Christians.

It was not a direct link. Faith, however, is a common factor....that people will claim to know things that they don't know causes problems..

Faith can not have blanket coverage to include all faiths. Show me one incident of Christians going to war in the 20th century.

This may anger you a little less...." Pretending to know" is what drives creationists to want to have the teaching of evolution driven from our schools and replace it with mythism....

I don't think even in the most hard driven Christians do they want to eliminate evolution being taught. I haven't read of any.

I see it as a loose thread.......and I'm hoping you'll keep pulling at that thread.....who knows what you may unravel.....

You are imagining things.

Really....? How did you come to the conclusion that your god was 'good', if it wasn't through you applying some form of human values...?

Experience. Christ was good.

Or did you just drink the kool aid......

Just your wishful thinking. I'm still around.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
As you are not sure I can take it you imagined it, feelings can sometimes be very wonderful, don't you think?
some music does it for me the feelings it induces can be almost heavenly, my imagined heaven of course.

I never implied I was unsure. I have had hundreds of such questions and they all end the same way. No matter what you say it comes down to this. I must admit that you are a little more zealous since you went on to say it without an answer.

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
No it is fueled by unwarranted and completely intolerant so called tolerant people who have no understanding of Christianity and Christians.

In fact most Atheists understand Christianity and Christians better than most Christians because many Atheists were once Christians, your Christianity is only the Christianity you want it to be and is more than likely completely different from some other Christians, you don't understand them any more than they understand you, is it true that there could be as many as 30,000 different varieties of Christians? if it's true why do you think that is?
I do know there are hundreds if not thousands of different kinds of Muslims, small villages cut off from the others all doing their own thing just like cut off Christian communities.

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
I never implied I was unsure. I have had hundreds of such questions and they all end the same way. No matter what you say it comes down to this. I must admit that you are a little more zealous since you went on to say it without an answer.

Do creationists give answers?

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
In fact most Atheists understand Christianity and Christians better than most Christians because many Atheists were once Christians, your Christianity is only the Christianity you want it to be and is more than likely completely different from some other Christians, you don't understand them any more than they understand you, is it true that there could be as many as 30,000 different varieties of Christians? if it's true why do you think that is?
I do know there are hundreds if not thousands of different kinds of Muslims, small villages cut off from the others all doing their own thing just like cut off Christian communities.

Christians may have different denominations but none of them have killed for their faith in the 20th century.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
Do creationists give answers?

If they didn't it would be pretty boring in here don't you think.

ThinkForYourself · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
What difference does it make if morality is subjective?

Because you claim God is moral, yet when I point out the immorality of the actions of God and the actions condoned by God, you refuse to discuss the point.

The obvious answer is that you understand God is immoral, but this would contradict your faith, so you refuse to acknowledge the immorality.

Or would you like to prove me wrong and actually answer the question: In your opinion are Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny immoral?

ThinkForYourself · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
Do creationists give answers?

I'm discovering that if giving an answer will force them to contradict their belief system, they won't give an answer.

I believe the applicable term is Cognitive Dissonance.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

ThinkForYourself said:
Because you claim God is moral, yet when I point out the immorality of the actions of God and the actions condoned by God, you refuse to discuss the point.

The obvious answer is that you understand God is immoral, but this would contradict your faith, so you refuse to acknowledge the immorality.

Or would you like to prove me wrong and actually answer the question: In your opinion are Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny immoral?

Ok, I will do this. You tell me about the people that God commanded to kill. In His acts of Genocide, did He act against a people without justifiable cause?

We will then discuss this part of your question. Once we each give our take on this question we can move on to the slavery issue, and then the misogyny claim.

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
Do creationists give answers?

Oncedeceived said:
If they didn't it would be pretty boring in here don't you think.

Would it be too much trouble for you to show me where and when?

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
In fact most Atheists understand Christianity and Christians better than most Christians because many Atheists were once Christians, your Christianity is only the Christianity you want it to be and is more than likely completely different from some other Christians, you don't understand them any more than they understand you, is it true that there could be as many as 30,000 different varieties of Christians? if it's true why do you think that is?
I do know there are hundreds if not thousands of different kinds of Muslims, small villages cut off from the others all doing their own thing just like cut off Christian communities.

Oncedeceived said:
Christians may have different denominations but none of them have killed for their faith in the 20th century.

What??? is this your first visit to earth?

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
What??? is this your first visit to earth?

Well prove me wrong.

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
Well prove me wrong.

I asked you a question and you answered with garbage and somehow in your twisted mind you think you're right.

I can not imagine what has been done to you or why anyone would do it but my heart goes out to you.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
In fact most Atheists understand Christianity and Christians better than most Christians because many Atheists were once Christians, your Christianity is only the Christianity you want it to be and is more than likely completely different from some other Christians, you don't understand them any more than they understand you, is it true that there could be as many as 30,000 different varieties of Christians? if it's true why do you think that is?
I do know there are hundreds if not thousands of different kinds of Muslims, small villages cut off from the others all doing their own thing just like cut off Christian communities.

Oncedeceived said:
Christians may have different denominations but none of them have killed for their faith in the 20th century.

Ginger123 said:
What??? is this your first visit to earth?

Oncedeceived said:
Well prove me wrong.

Ginger123 said:
I asked you a question and you answered with garbage and somehow in your twisted mind you think you're right.

I can not imagine what has been done to you or why anyone would do it but my heart goes out to you.

So I assumed when you made the first quote you were referring to TFY's post in regard to the religion caused "trouble". So my assumption must be wrong considering your responses above?

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
So I assumed when you made the first quote you were referring to TFY's post in regard to the religion caused "trouble". So my assumption must be wrong considering your responses above?

Yes belief in myths has always been the source of problems throughout the ages, believe or die,
if the clergy allowed unbelievers to openly speak their minds it could cause all kinds of problems for society,
that's why the blasphemy laws were brought in and that's why Atheists in the US are so hated even today.

Christians are allowed to convert Atheists but Atheists are not allowed to undermine a Christians beliefs,
which is really strange because Christians are so convinced that they are right why are they so worried? surly the truth will win in the end, perhaps that's exactly what they are worried about, the truth winning, which it will in the end.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
Yes belief in myths has always been the source of problems throughout the ages, believe or die,
if the clergy allowed unbelievers to openly speak their minds it could cause all kinds of problems for society,
that's why the blasphemy laws were brought in and that's why Atheists in the US are so hated even today.

Blasphemy laws were in the earliest documents of our states constitutions and this is due to the Christian roots that so many atheists insist as false.

Christians are allowed to convert Atheists but Atheists are not allowed to undermine a Christians beliefs,
which is really strange because Christians are so convinced that they are right why are they so worried? surly the truth will win in the end, perhaps that's exactly what they are worried about, the truth winning, which it will in the end.

Motivation in individuals is hard to determine, I find that most Christian feel they are right and wish no one live eternally separate and in torment. I don't think that atheists are hated at all. I think that there are atheists that are hateful and sometimes less than likeable but as a whole I don't think they are hated. I think that atheists seem to have a hatred for Christians which if they thought they were just misled and wrong why do atheists spend so much time and worry about them?

Ginger123 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
Blasphemy laws were in the earliest documents of our states constitutions and this is due to the Christian roots that so many atheists insist as false.

I'm not talking about the short time the USA has been around I am talking about a thousand years of domination by the church in Europe, the church held the people of Europe to ransom with fear, blasphemy was made punishable by death, that's how much they feared people speaking out, the lies of religion had to be maintained at all costs.
That's why most countries in Europe are populated by so many Atheists today? only the countries that still have peasants still maintain strong religions for obvious reasons, bad education means more religion.

Oncedeceived · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
I'm not talking about the short time the USA has been around I am talking about a thousand years of domination by the church in Europe, the church held the people of Europe to ransom with fear, blasphemy was made punishable by death, that's how much they feared people speaking out, the lies of religion had to be maintained at all costs.
That's why most countries in Europe are populated by so many Atheists today? only the countries that still have peasants still maintain strong religions for obvious reasons, bad education means more religion.

Atheists make up only 2.01% of the world population so that doesn't say much for education if you are basing it on that.

biggles53 · Nov 27, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
Christians may have different denominations but none of them have killed for their faith in the 20th century.

Except for the ones in the Balkans of course...

Oh, and then there was the whole Rwanda thingy...

Oh, there's the Lord' Resistance mob.....

And that's just off the top of my head.....

And, by the way, why do you carefully limit your claim to the 20th Century I wonder....?

ThinkForYourself · Nov 27, 2013

Ginger123 said:
..., bad education means more religion.

Yes, it appears poor societal health is positively correlated the level of religiosity. More secular societies have better societal health.

From Creighton.edu:
"Data correlations show that in almost all regards the highly secular democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction, while pro-religious and anti-evolution America performs poorly."

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