The evidence for evolution., Since it comes up... over and over...

I_Love_Cheese · Jan 7, 2007

dudette in the diminutive sense, understand the difference between what you believe god has done and how he did it, the bible is not a science textbook, in the 2000 years since it was compiled man has come a long way in his understanding of how things work.
In your book, god said let there be, he didn't say how, if you go back and look at it that way you will find that you can probably reconcile the two. If you insist on a 2000 year old understanding, most likely in a few years reality will bite you in the ass and you will become an atheist in anger and frustration.

The bible is not a science book, the world is not flat, there was no global flood and we and chimps do share a common ancestor, the rest is your problem.

philadiddle · Jan 7, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
If you agree with me then why did you post that long boring statement that I comprehend but don't feel like posting back because you sais we don't then went on to try and disprove my point? and why are you trying to disprove my points anyways?

why does the rest of your post try to cut down my points?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
First of all.. God isn't Mortal he is Immortal ... God is physical and Spiritual.. God Created this earth threw his Glory and his divine plan..

Natural instincts are a theory .. Since no one can prove them .. Ill have to say

God gave every animal Ability's they truly aren't natural that is why Science can't prove they are there because there Spiritual .. When the birds sing in the morning they praise God when you hear a toad croak it praises the Heavenly Father.. Any noise from a animal was installed by the King of all King of everything. the animal's praise him so why do we question him? .

God made the world with natural laws to govern it, so why can't u accept that those laws would fullfill His goals?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Natural Processes.. That is you just putting God down..

Deuteronomy 28:12 says that God provides the rain by opening the windows to heaven. I can explain rain by completely natural processes. Am I putting God down by doing that? Or am I simply explaining how He does it?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Thats saying you support evolution because you belive there isn't a God that created it.. that Is what I see in what you posted.

you misunderstand what theistic evolution is. There are lots of Christians who accept evolution as the process for God's creative works. Spend time in the origins theology section to understand more about why.

Helpme..iamconfused said:
God is the divine architect he didn't design some wonderful world and then say you Amoeba go and make it for me.. No he made it in 7 days not over a course of Million's of years.. 7 day's..

why did He say "adam make it all for me?" couldn't He have made each of us individually? I guess since I was born through a natural process I wasn't created by God?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Most humans cant comprehend how great this God Is serve is .. But he is greater than the complexity of the Earth it self.. In fact the earth is not small but tiny in comparison ..

true

Helpme..iamconfused said:
You know he created us he created this planet he created the universe for crying out loud..

true

Helpme..iamconfused said:
So why do we argue..

it takes 2 ppl to argue, so why are u here?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
I have no clue I am just saying what I think.. and if you don't like it then post back and I will say what I think again.. hope you get something from it.

please respond because i would like to hear it, but i won't pursue it anymore on this thread because it's getting a little off topic. If you like, start a thread in the origins theology section about this.

Writer before God · Jan 7, 2007

I_Love_Cheese said:
dudette in the diminutive sense, understand the difference between what you believe god has done and how he did it, the bible is not a science textbook, in the 2000 years since it was compiled man has come a long way in his understanding of how things work.
In your book, god said let there be, he didn't say how, if you go back and look at it that way you will find that you can probably reconcile the two. If you insist on a 2000 year old understanding, most likely in a few years reality will bite you in the ass and you will become an atheist in anger and frustration.

The bible is not a science book, the world is not flat, there was no global flood and we and chimps do share a common ancestor, the rest is your problem.

if you want to go down that road.. How long has Evolution been around what 200 years..

The bible was written way before 2000 years ago.. That is just the new testament..

I am referring of course to the writing that are considered the old Testament and the Torah which isn't all in the old testament or it which I asked a question on that before and got a response ..

By the way I would die at the stake or be shot or go threw a long agonizing death before give up my God.

Evolution will never be a religion to me like it is to you .
Who cares how it was done we already know it was done.. get my point o wait you don't your a thinker and questioner just like me except you are primal in your Thinking and Questioning ways.
I'll tell you how...

I have come to the point in my thinking and questioning to were I see how awesome God really is .. No I don't totally comprehend his glory but I understand a small part of it ... If you haven't tried to experience his light before the you can't speak any more of the subject. But for me on the other hand.. I have studied evolution and tried its ways but I couldn't bare going a day with out God.. He is what allows me to breathe and with out him I have no breathe.

at least for now... and at least for ever..

Signed Just me.

USincognito · Jan 7, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
if you want to go down that road.. How long has Evolution been around what 200 years..

Actually, it's been around for about 3.5 billion years. Since the earliest life forms started reproducing and being subject to random mutation and natural selection.

Writer before God · Jan 7, 2007

philadiddle said:
why does the rest of your post try to cut down my points?

God made the world with natural laws to govern it, so why can't u accept that those laws would fullfill His goals?

Deuteronomy 28:12 says that God provides the rain by opening the windows to heaven. I can explain rain by completely natural processes. Am I putting God down by doing that? Or am I simply explaining how He does it?

you misunderstand what theistic evolution is. There are lots of Christians who accept evolution as the process for God's creative works. Spend time in the origins theology section to understand more about why.

why did He say "adam make it all for me?" couldn't He have made each of us individually? I guess since I was born through a natural process I wasn't created by God?

true

true

it takes 2 ppl to argue, so why are u here?

please respond because i would like to hear it, but i won't pursue it anymore on this thread because it's getting a little off topic. If you like, start a thread in the origins theology section about this.

Deuteronomy 28:12 KJV
The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, tjhe heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow

That doesn't have Natural anywhere in it.. What you have is a Diluted version of the bible .. maybe you think you understand it better but take the original English Translation and compare..

Fine I won't "argue" anymore .. im off this thread .. I was just really having fun saying the exact same thing over and over again lol.

Writer before God · Jan 7, 2007

USincognito said:
Actually, it's been around for about 3.5 billion years. Since the earliest life forms started reproducing and being subject to random mutation and natural selection.

I was talking about the Theory's of evolution.

BTW what are the chance's of that anyways?

USincognito · Jan 7, 2007

westernjoe said:
Not only do you not have transitionals from apes to humans but you don't even have transitionals from one ape to another. Not only THAT but there is not even a shred of fossil evidence for the great apes -- and that includes chimps. Nothing.

You need to keep up with the news instead of just reading Creationist literature.

USincognito · Jan 7, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
I was talking about the Theory's of evolution.

BTW what are the chance's of that anyways?

Then you should be more precise in what you post.

And the chances of what? The first organisms reproducing and being subject to random mutation and natural selection? Those odds are 1:1 since it already happened.

Writer before God · Jan 7, 2007

USincognito said:
Then you should be more precise in what you post.

And the chances of what? The first organisms reproducing and being subject to random mutation and natural selection? Those odds are 1:1 since it already happened.

Last post I promise.

Start questioning your Atheistic belief's then see who is right in the end?..

here is what I say it might be what other's have said but this is my view on my life sorta..

Question all and hold tight to what you find out true.

You know if we question everything and believe in what we have found true , but never stop looking for the truth.

What would that make us ?

Signed,
Just me.

I_Love_Cheese · Jan 7, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
if you want to go down that road.. How long has Evolution been around what 200 years..

The bible was written way before 2000 years ago.. That is just the new testament..

I am referring of course to the writing that are considered the old Testament and the Torah which isn't all in the old testament or it which I asked a question on that before and got a response ..

By the way I would die at the stake or be shot or go threw a long agonizing death before give up my God.

Evolution will never be a religion to me like it is to you .
Who cares how it was done we already know it was done.. get my point o wait you don't your a thinker and questioner just like me except you are primal in your Thinking and Questioning ways.
I'll tell you how...

I have come to the point in my thinking and questioning to were I see how awesome God really is .. No I don't totally comprehend his glory but I understand a small part of it ... If you haven't tried to experience his light before the you can't speak any more of the subject. But for me on the other hand.. I have studied evolution and tried its ways but I couldn't bare going a day with out God.. He is what allows me to breathe and with out him I have no breathe.

at least for now... and at least for ever..

Signed Just me.

hey, as other christians here are telling you, if you want to discuss the thological aspects, take it to origins theology, I'm just your friendly agnostic telling you that reality is what it is, evolution is not a religion, heck I don't have one, I couldn't even make it as a Unitarian.
If you wish to keep your faith, learn to separate that which you take on faith and that which you accept through reason, your life will be better.

I_Love_Cheese · Jan 7, 2007

Question all and hold tight to what you find out true.

You know if we question everything and believe in what we have found true , but never stop looking for the truth.

What would that make us ?

AGNOSTIC

philadiddle · Jan 7, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
if you want to go down that road.. How long has Evolution been around what 200 years..

The bible was written way before 2000 years ago.. That is just the new testament..

i guess the earth is flat, since that was believed long before we thought it was round

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Evolution will never be a religion to me like it is to you .

Evolution is no more a religion then physics, mathmatices, geology, or any other science. Have you been watching Kent Hovind videos?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Who cares how it was done we already know it was done..

so why are u here discussing this?

Helpme..iamconfused said:
I have studied evolution and tried its ways but I couldn't bare going a day with out God.. He is what allows me to breathe and with out him I have no breathe.

what does studying evolution have to do with being with or without God? Many christians fully embrace evolution as God's mechanism for creation.

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Deuteronomy 28:12 KJV
The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow

That doesn't have Natural anywhere in it.. What you have is a Diluted version of the bible .. maybe you think you understand it better but take the original English Translation and compare..

I know it doesn't say natural, and that's my point. God takes credit for things like rain, that we can explain through natural processes, does this put God down?

stefanoi12 · Jan 8, 2007

So...just to clarify a few things, even though the conversation seems to have drifted a bit. Humans didn't descend from chimpanzees. Rather, both humans and chimpanzees (and related species such as the bonobo) descended from a common ancestor.

Also, people often misuse the word "theory" to denote a hunch, guess, etc, when in fact it is a model used to describe something. If evidence existed that disproved evolution, it wouldn't be a theory.

As for birds and their migrations. There is a very interesting chapter in On the Origin of Species that deals specifically with the evolution of instincts and behavior, which, can be inherited and modified. It's late and I don't feel like going into details, but it's a good read.

Morcova · Jan 8, 2007

TheDreadedAtheist said:
Are you serious? Did you read it? There are many transitional phases between apes and humans. How many do you need? Also I would like to point out the picture that I did post, showing the gradual transition from the chimpanzee skull to the modern human one.

Of course he didn't read it. Don't be silly.

Morcova · Jan 8, 2007

westernjoe said:
I'm not debating anyone in science...I'm debating the dreaded atheist -- or whatever his name is -- who proclaimed this little clueless jewel.

Provide for us the quote where he says that humans evolved from chimps.

Morcova · Jan 8, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
if you want to go down that road.. How long has Evolution been around what 200 years..

The bible was written way before 2000 years ago.. That is just the new testament..

That's nice, reality isn't a game of whose ideas are older, if that were so, you'd be a hindu since theirs is the oldest religion.

Helpme..iamconfused said:
By the way I would die at the stake or be shot or go threw a long agonizing death before give up my God.

That's nice you sound like a crazy person.

Helpme..iamconfused said:
Evolution will never be a religion to me like it is to you .

See above.

Dal M. · Jan 8, 2007

Helpme..iamconfused said:
you put a man made theory against God in the end and then you see which lasts longer?..

What an odd thing to say. Are lightning bolts hurled by Zeus? Are earthquakes the result of Loki's torment? Does Hapi control the flooding of the Nile? Or has science provided us with better explanations for these phenomena?

The naturalistic theory invariably outlasts the religious explanation.

Opethian · Jan 8, 2007

When science clashes with religion, it is not man vs god, it is putting an educated, modern man made explanation against an ignorant, primitive man made explanation.

MrGoodBytes · Jan 8, 2007

Helpme...iamconfused,

you should maybe start to acknowlegde the truth of your username and do some reading. Start here.

Split Rock · Jan 8, 2007

westernjoe said:
Oops! looks like my statement about no fossils leading to homo erectus is correct.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanor...ha/a_tree.html

please note the question marks after australopithecus! (apes)

Is this a joke? A question mark means it is unclear right now which species descended from Australophithecus, not that there wasn't one that did.

westernjoe said:
Well...it looks like I ran dreadedatheist off. Too bad I had to invalidate all his silly posts -- and his credibility as an authority on human evolution -- with one short and sweet post.

Anyone else?

Is this another joke? You invalidated nothing at all, and certainly not with "one short and sweet" post.

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