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The ethics and morality of Pascal's wager
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<blockquote data-quote="variant" data-source="post: 74225145" data-attributes="member: 114463"><p>This is a non-pascal argument for your religious views. If Pascals argument were for the general real world benefits of Christianity then it would be a completely different argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Assuming of course that we find that first part of argument convincing and ignore the part where it's shoddy emotional manipulation.</p><p></p><p>I don't think a Christian worldview is obviously a benefit. But that is neither here nor there, it's not what we're arguing about. We're discussing that second bit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He wrote stuff down, so yes he is attempting to manipulate everyone he wished to persuade. That's the power of the written word, you don't have to be there.</p><p></p><p>He and everyone who promotes such thinking is who I am accusing of shoddy emotional manipulation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh no, the kind of manipulation you run into in religions is amazing compared to run at the mill stuff we encounter every day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No in your case you made the decision as an adult, the kind of religious manipulation we're talking about, is not only sophisticated, but more often than not directed at small children. Like how I first encountered and believed religion.</p><p></p><p>No, you're on the other side, an adult capable of rationally making decisions, openly using this as a tool to try to convince others. My purpose here is, in part, trying to convince you not to. I think it is a bad thing to do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm engaging in honesty.</p><p></p><p>You just don't seem to like my implications. I think religions are based upon lies, that's why I am an Atheist. I think they are rife with shoddy attempts at emotional manipulation, and they perpetuate themselves mainly by something not all that too dissimilar to brainwashing small children.</p><p></p><p>I have also told you why I think such things when asked.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The only one I've accused you of here is that you are credulousness, as opposed to skepticism. I honestly wanted to know how you were proposing to tell false claims from true ones given your take on things. You didn't answer.</p><p></p><p>You're also now getting kind of defensive, but I make no apologies, I'm not here to butter you up. I'm here to tell you what I think.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't been trying to emotionally manipulating you I'm simply showing my disdain. There isn't any larger motive for it other than to express myself.</p><p></p><p>Is your criticism of me some sort of emotional manipulation by your standard too then?</p><p></p><p>I don't see it that way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="variant, post: 74225145, member: 114463"] This is a non-pascal argument for your religious views. If Pascals argument were for the general real world benefits of Christianity then it would be a completely different argument. Assuming of course that we find that first part of argument convincing and ignore the part where it's shoddy emotional manipulation. I don't think a Christian worldview is obviously a benefit. But that is neither here nor there, it's not what we're arguing about. We're discussing that second bit. He wrote stuff down, so yes he is attempting to manipulate everyone he wished to persuade. That's the power of the written word, you don't have to be there. He and everyone who promotes such thinking is who I am accusing of shoddy emotional manipulation. Oh no, the kind of manipulation you run into in religions is amazing compared to run at the mill stuff we encounter every day. No in your case you made the decision as an adult, the kind of religious manipulation we're talking about, is not only sophisticated, but more often than not directed at small children. Like how I first encountered and believed religion. No, you're on the other side, an adult capable of rationally making decisions, openly using this as a tool to try to convince others. My purpose here is, in part, trying to convince you not to. I think it is a bad thing to do. I'm engaging in honesty. You just don't seem to like my implications. I think religions are based upon lies, that's why I am an Atheist. I think they are rife with shoddy attempts at emotional manipulation, and they perpetuate themselves mainly by something not all that too dissimilar to brainwashing small children. I have also told you why I think such things when asked. The only one I've accused you of here is that you are credulousness, as opposed to skepticism. I honestly wanted to know how you were proposing to tell false claims from true ones given your take on things. You didn't answer. You're also now getting kind of defensive, but I make no apologies, I'm not here to butter you up. I'm here to tell you what I think. I haven't been trying to emotionally manipulating you I'm simply showing my disdain. There isn't any larger motive for it other than to express myself. Is your criticism of me some sort of emotional manipulation by your standard too then? I don't see it that way. [/QUOTE]
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