The Ensign, "something lifted up"

[Fireinfolding]

Just started to look over these things again in respects to the ensign. Starting here...


Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

It speaks of "effect of" Christ

Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

And likewise...

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The same which comes likewise with "much assurance"

Was looking at the ensign,

What is an ensign?

1) something lifted up, standard, signal, signal pole, ensign, banner, sign, sail

Even as Jesus said...

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up **the serpent** in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Isaiah 5:26 And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will **hiss** unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly:

And we know he said.... "If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto **me**

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.


Though whats pretty kool, but I cannot make one verse fit (below) because of the context its speaking in the former place (which I would love to make fit) because the being afraid of the actual ensign is shown in the disciples themselves.

For example...this is the ensign (to be lifted up)

Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Whereas here it says...

Mark 9:32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Whereas here if I could make it work, would likewise fit

Isaiah 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.

Whose furnace is in Jerusalem and where the ensign (His death) would be accomplished, of which the law (Moses) and prophets (Elijah) spake


Luke 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

And likewise his feet burned in a furnace (which is shown as Jerusalem, even Egypt)


Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Which too is interesting because there were three cast into the furnace (bound) where one like unto the Son of God was with them (and loosed) even as the word of God is not bound, and Jesus brought three of them up to the mount with them and so I am trying to see if theres a better showing of these things.

But cant make that one verse work, I can only see the same effect in the discples of being afraid of the very ensign (which is Him lifted up).


I was just thinking on these things, figured I'd post them here while I am still looking at it.

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Remember Luke 2:34 Jesus was to be ( a sign) of the fall and rising again of many in Israel.

Isaiah 11:12;"And he shall set up ( a ensign for the nations), and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

The new born Nation of Israel is that sign; Israel is like a sure time marker for those who can recieve it.

Daniel 12:10;"..... but the wise shall understand."

 

[Fireinfolding]

I can see both my brother I agree, He is a sign to be spoken against and His lifting up is twofold in the ensign, even as there is a manifest token of perdition which was also manifested them (unto them) likewise the Spirit of the glory of God resting upon them (as it did Him)...which would answer in... "Behold I and my children... WE are signs" ...

Amen, God bless you brother

 

[razeontherock]

Rare it is that something I have inquired about but the Lord has not shown me is raised on CF - but leave it to Fire to post about it

Luv ya, Sister. Here it is: Isaiah 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion,and his furnace in Jerusalem."

What are these princes? I think maybe the answer lies in whose princes they are? I love Isaiah, but he is hard to follow; the characters in his stories are usually undefined pronouns! Not sure how much of this may be clarified by knowledge of the original language? We are Kings, not princes. The rulers of this present age are princes, not Kings. Strong symbolism there, but not at all sure it has any relevance to this issue.

Anyway a little insight into "ensign:"

"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him."

That standard is US, and I'm pretty sure this is the same concept as ensign ...

 

[Fireinfolding]

Rare it is that something I have inquired about but the Lord has not shown me is raised on CF - but leave it to Fire to post about it

Luv ya, Sister. Here it is: Isaiah 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion,and his furnace in Jerusalem."

What are these princes? I think maybe the answer lies in whose princes they are? I love Isaiah, but he is hard to follow; the characters in his stories are usually undefined pronouns! Not sure how much of this may be clarified by knowledge of the original language? We are Kings, not princes. The rulers of this present age are princes, not Kings. Strong symbolism there, but not at all sure it has any relevance to this issue.

Anyway a little insight into "ensign:"

"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him."

That standard is US, and I'm pretty sure this is the same concept as ensign ...

God bless you brother lol Yes, your right I sat there with that verse comparing, and I thought of them yet princes, still not understanding (as it says they didnt) as the princes did not, even as He makes them kings and priests unto His God. The ensign (which is his death) they kept avoiding to ask him about and specifically says they were afraid to, just like that verse. However he tells them they would be offended in him the night he was betrayed and they all fled there too, and there are others I have pondered but I'm still, unsure lol. But even the verse you just shared, floods come and beat against the house too, and the thought, "overcome evil with good" (the standard too)??? Its lost on me And without filling the reply box with all my multi colored posts with how I have reran them over and over again lol (I'll spare ya)

Its always nice to know someone else has struggled with a verse here or there because I do too, I often set it aside, and find when I do and go onto other things somehow later on down the road it becomes clear.

Fustrating at times (like, awh... why must I wait?)

Patience, patience I guess right bro?

The one that really bugged me for 23 years was (((gathering sticks)) on the Sabbath (and the icurred penalty) and I feel he showed me that one (not all will agree) but it has to do with the intent ((as wood)) is "to fire" so also is ((a contentious man to kindle a stife)). Kindling a fire in that manner. As they would fast for strife (the tongue is a fire) and the kindling a fire was a no on the Sabbath, even speaking (((thine own words))) also in Aarons sons, offered a strange fire. Look up sparks and fire, and watch where it takes you (wow) I do everything in my power to avoid strife after reading that one.

This stuff blows my mind really, Im a bit hesitent to say alot of things (on an open forum) because your sorta left wide open because the audience (or hearers) rather are not discernable. So what I would share with some brothers and sisters I would not share with others. But Its hard to know sometimes (what to) sitting behind a keyboard. Best say nothing (if you a question it lol) Theres always someone gonna come up behind you and say your nuts a fire is a fire, implies nothing of the sort Sometimes (not always) I'll say, I am so so sorry (all apologetic) hang my head real low (and just flee) Usually no one gets meaner if you just say your sorry (well, usually lol) sometimes no.

Im talking your ear off going nowheres, thanks bro, God bless you

 

[visionary]

Rare it is that something I have inquired about but the Lord has not shown me is raised on CF - but leave it to Fire to post about it

Luv ya, Sister. Here it is: Isaiah 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion,and his furnace in Jerusalem."

What are these princes? I think maybe the answer lies in whose princes they are? I love Isaiah, but he is hard to follow; the characters in his stories are usually undefined pronouns! Not sure how much of this may be clarified by knowledge of the original language? We are Kings, not princes. The rulers of this present age are princes, not Kings. Strong symbolism there, but not at all sure it has any relevance to this issue.

Anyway a little insight into "ensign:"

"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him."

That standard is US, and I'm pretty sure this is the same concept as ensign ...

There are several "princes" which turn out to be satan and his cohorts who whisper in the leader's ears.. think about Daniel and the "prince" of Persiam that the messenger angel heading to give Daniel the answer to his prayer and was delayed.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Theres more then a few good guys princes and not so good

Of Abraham

Gen 23:6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us


This is sorta cute

Isaiah 3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.

Even here...

1Cr 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Of the Lord

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The prince of kings likewise

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

The spirit which works in the children of disobedience

Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

1 Samuel 6:4;"Then said they, What shall be the trespass offering which we shall return to him? They answered,( Five) golden emerods, and (five) golden mice, according to the number of the lords of the Philistines: for one plague was upon you all, and on your lords."

Daniel 2:34;"Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon (his feet) that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces."

Revelation 17:12;"And the (ten horns) which thou sawest are (ten kings), which have recieved no kingdom as yet; but recieve (power as kings) one hour with the beast."

Is not 10 times = to 55?

 

[Fireinfolding]

You cannot possibly be asking me bro

You so ought know better by now!

5+5 =10

Is all I know (lol)

You are the number genious bro (whereas I'd be the last to know)

God bless you

 

[daydreamergurl15]

I finally finish reading all those scriptures (and I had to read them in their context). Very interesting. When reading Isaiah, it's funny finding the Messianic prophecies because sometimes it seems like it was just thrown in their and if you weren't careful you could miss whom it was talking about.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I finally finish reading all those scriptures (and I had to read them in their context). Very interesting. When reading Isaiah, it's funny finding the Messianic prophecies because sometimes it seems like it was just thrown in their and if you weren't careful you could miss whom it was talking about.

Bless you daydreamgurl! I too read around the surrounding verses and couldnt make that one fit (therein was the problem for the one) I mean it did fit "in accord" with "the ensign" (so the context is "the ensign" itself) which is that lifted up (as we know our Lord was) even being fraid of the same ensign (found in the disciples). But as you familiarize yourself with what he means by this or that (here and there) even (who) the word furnance (which is attributed to) as it is to both Jerusalem and Egypt Jesus (likewise) was crucified in what is ((spiritually called)) Sodom and Egypt. So its those type things I look for.

Sorta like familiarizing yourself with these things (as they speak) and know He come in the volume of the book (its so fun!). And also because its to Gods glory to conceal a thing but the honour of kings to search it out. Well, given He spake by the prophets by the multiplation of visions and used similitudes you can find Jesus Christ in there spoken of beforehand. And to me there is nothing better (besides Him) then finding those things and proving the one we love, Jesus Christ.

So if I am not seeing Him (in someway, somehow) what is it I am looking for (or at) since he said they are they testified of me?

Sorta like hearing the voices of the prophets (as the eunuch asked) who speaketh this prophet of himself or another man? And showing forth Jesus Christ from the scripture.

Hey sis! You know... as it pertains to context theres a really kool example found in Paul (below) Where Paul spoke of Christ (in the present context) and he used the OT to prove Him. If we looked at Paul example of how the Holy Spirit led him we can trace the "Spirit's paths" as Paul shared. Which I actually think is pretty awesome. But Paul was not an "in context" expounder (as we might count one) he utilized the whole of scriptures (and the various books) at the same time and would "touch" upon a verse of old as he would make mention (in creating his context)

This is pretty kool, the most obvious place this shown is in Romans 10:1-21 If you have a "footnoted bible" in front of you you can see it for yourself. The footnotes (here) help to show (even trace) the paths of the apostles words where one can see for themselves (from where) Paul pulled the these things he had written. Paul is shown (below) making use of many books to write one "single paragraph" to make his argument.

Its neat to catch the footprints of the Holy Spirit here.

The order (without Paul's own "interjections) "plucks" verses (to create his argument in Romans 10:1-21)

Paul starts in... Lev 18:5...

Then he turns to.... Duet 30:12-14

next he goes into... Isaiah 28:16

...he immediately turns to... Joel 2:32

... he returns back to.... Isaiah 52:7

....Then skips "up to".... Isaiah 53:1

.... he then turns to.... Psalms 19:4

.... reaches back into .....Duet 32:21

..... and now he reaches further up to.... Isaiah 65:1-2


Just to make "a point" in that very small part in Romans (which is only 21 verses long)

So "10 of those 21 verses" came from 5 different books (not so bad) But they are not from the same chapters (or in theirn contexes) of those books. Only twice does he take 2 verses (at one time). The rest is Paul interjecting between them as if "reasoning" with others by using them (but they are pulled from just about everywhere).

Sorta kool, now we can understand why they said to him...

Acts 26:24 Paul, Thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.


Kidding (lol)

But the example appears to challenge context (well outside of Christ, or as we typically understand it). Thus He becomes (in and through Paul) the "overall context" through whom his expounding comes.

No prohecy of scripture is of its own interpretation (scripture with scripture) is why the Spirit teaches us to "compare" (spiritual with spiritual). And to compare a thing would mean we must move out of the place from where you are reading (to another location) to compare there.

Sometimes (if you can hit it right) the scriptures become as looking at one of those 3D pictures (where your looking at all these dots) and seeing nothing till Jesus emmerges from the thing and your like, Wow! Wow Wow

Too kool really, God rocks And I talk to much (sometimes) and that ends up biting me in the rear (so sorry)

God bless you sister!

 

[razeontherock]

Hey ya know, there is no strife here! Just sharing His Love ...

most definitely strife can burn up all sorts of stuff that we need, and are supposed to have

Thanks for the breath of fresh air, Fire!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hey ya know, there is no strife here! Just sharing His Love ...

most definitely strife can burn up all sorts of stuff that we need, and are supposed to have

Thanks for the breath of fresh air, Fire!

God bless you Raze! Agreed my brother! You as well! Its so nice here, like our own secret garden isnt it?

(Shhhhh....) dont tell

 

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