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I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).Reading it in a direct, literal way, it seems very clear that "this" generation means the one to which he was speaking.
I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).
To believe all those prophecies were fulfilled in the current generation is called Preterism.
What do you call the eschatological approach where you just make it up as you go along?
I agree ... and He was speaking of the final generation in the dispensation to come (the dispensation of Grace).
To believe all those prophecies were fulfilled in the current generation is called Preterism.
What I don't understand is if everything has been fulfilled (because I hope we can all agree that when Christ comes, He brings the Kingdom with Him,) then why is there still melancholia, destitution, hunger, famine, death? After all, He did promise that every tear would be wiped away, and weeping would be replaced with sadness.
Where is Christ if everything has been fulfilled?
Where is the New Heaven and New Earth?
Where is, even, the Kingdom?
Christ said that after all of the things He said would happen, the end would come, and He also (Matt 24:3.)
What does He mean by 'this generation'?
Would it have helped if He would have said, "I won't come back until all comes to pass in the generation I just described"?
I think I see what he's saying: 'this generation' could mean "this generation we have now", or "this generation that I was just talking about"."this generation" means.... "this generation."
I think I see what he's saying: 'this generation' could mean "this generation we have now", or "this generation that I was just talking about".
"At the end of the world, X, Y, and Z will happen. The people living at the time, that generation there, once events X, Y, and Z happen, that generation won't pass before the second coming"
Or something like that.
It's grammatically dodgy ('that' is more appropriate than 'this'), and I see no contextual clues to indicate this is what Jesus meant, but I think that's what AV is alluding to.
EDIT: Given post #61, maybe not!
I think he's saying that a set of events will happen, and then another, final event will happen. That final event will happen within the lifetimes of those who were alive during the first set of events. So if we, now, saw those events, we'd know that, within a single generation, the final event would occur.If that's what Jesus meant then it doesn't even make sense why he would say it.
Of course the generation at that time won't pass away during the time when that stuff during their generation happens.
What does that even mean? he's saying that the people living at that time won't all die until those things happen? Well of course....
If the world doesn't end in December, 2012, the true believers will have an excuse. They always do. Or at least they always have.
The "true believers" I was referring to were those who think that the world is going to end in December.Many "true" believers do not believe the end of the world is time/date-dependent - the events determine the time of the end (not the dates.) It is a "If A happens, then B will befall you" situation.
I am well aware that "Christians" have been arguing, fighting, killing, and cursing each other over "points of doctrine" for centuries. I would not be surprised to find one day that their are more "Christian" doctrines than their are "Christians" because no one sect could possibly contain all the nonsense, that one "Christian" believes.There are hundreds of thousands of believers that facepalm whenever a minister becomes the mouthpiece of the Church because one, two, or a dozen megachurch preachers do not speak for individual believers.
"Christians" believe all sorts of things. They even argue about who is or is not a "Christian". About the only thing they all have in common is that they all call themselves "Christian" even though they disagree about who else is "Christian".I would ask that you do not blanket all believers into the categorical Christian "As Seen On TV."
One of the other things "Christians" disagree about is what "certain events" must happen. They can't even agree on what's real, much less on their wish fulfilling fantasies, their doctrines, their dogmas, or their favorite tipples.Also, December 2012 is the new Y2K. If anything happens, it still doesn't change the fact that certain events must happen before the end happens.
One of the other things "Christians" disagree about is what "certain events" must happen. They can't even agree on what's real, much less on their wish fulfilling fantasies, their doctrines, their dogmas, or their favorite tipples.
Either way, we get it.
So your telling me that jesus, who is also god( the all knowing creator, doesn't know when the world will end? that doesn't make sense.
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