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<blockquote data-quote="dgiharris" data-source="post: 72977790" data-attributes="member: 322579"><p>Numbers and data NEVER lie. Please understand that. </p><p></p><p>Clever humans can manipulate, obfuscate, twist, and contort the truth to make it "seem" like the numbers are on their side, but the numbers in and of themselves never ever lie.</p><p></p><p>I feel that you just don't understand that. In fact, you just did a form of that, you just twisted the numbers to make it seem like they lie when you say</p><p></p><p>SO notice how you are attempting to correlate gun deaths with strict gun control. That is really bad logic and science. The real question would be "if you removed gun control from these areas, would gun correlated deaths decrease?" Another real question would be "has the gun control in these areas led to a decrease in gun related deaths".</p><p></p><p>You have 3 areas, Area X, Y, and Z.</p><p></p><p>Area X has 100 gun deaths per year</p><p>Area Y has 25 gun deaths per year</p><p>Area Z has 5 gun deaths per year.</p><p></p><p>Now, we institute "gun control" in area X. Area X has a reduction of gun deaths from 100 per year to 50 per year. Area X still has the most gun deaths per year. So, can we then use your argument "...the most deaths are in areas with strict gun control.."? Is your argument valid? No, not it is not. The data shows that gun control reduces death.</p><p></p><p>Now, if we institute "gun control" in all 3 areas and if the following results:</p><p>Area X has 125 gun deaths per year </p><p>Area Y has 43 gun deaths per year</p><p>Area Z has 22 gun deaths per year.</p><p></p><p>then we can conclude with a fair degree of confidence that gun control does make things worse...</p><p></p><p>this will be my last post on this matter with you. I'm getting into basis statistics and logic 101 and this is something that if you can't grasp then you will probably never be able to grasp. </p><p></p><p>data and numbers never ever EVER lie. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Just because "some" people can manipulate and misuse data and numbers is "not" the same thing as the actual data and numbers being a lie. Learn to distinguish between the two...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dgiharris, post: 72977790, member: 322579"] Numbers and data NEVER lie. Please understand that. Clever humans can manipulate, obfuscate, twist, and contort the truth to make it "seem" like the numbers are on their side, but the numbers in and of themselves never ever lie. I feel that you just don't understand that. In fact, you just did a form of that, you just twisted the numbers to make it seem like they lie when you say SO notice how you are attempting to correlate gun deaths with strict gun control. That is really bad logic and science. The real question would be "if you removed gun control from these areas, would gun correlated deaths decrease?" Another real question would be "has the gun control in these areas led to a decrease in gun related deaths". You have 3 areas, Area X, Y, and Z. Area X has 100 gun deaths per year Area Y has 25 gun deaths per year Area Z has 5 gun deaths per year. Now, we institute "gun control" in area X. Area X has a reduction of gun deaths from 100 per year to 50 per year. Area X still has the most gun deaths per year. So, can we then use your argument "...the most deaths are in areas with strict gun control.."? Is your argument valid? No, not it is not. The data shows that gun control reduces death. Now, if we institute "gun control" in all 3 areas and if the following results: Area X has 125 gun deaths per year Area Y has 43 gun deaths per year Area Z has 22 gun deaths per year. then we can conclude with a fair degree of confidence that gun control does make things worse... this will be my last post on this matter with you. I'm getting into basis statistics and logic 101 and this is something that if you can't grasp then you will probably never be able to grasp. data and numbers never ever EVER lie. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Just because "some" people can manipulate and misuse data and numbers is "not" the same thing as the actual data and numbers being a lie. Learn to distinguish between the two... [/QUOTE]
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