Thank you. Daniel is another good example. Where the populous was forbidden to pray and Daniel refused to stop.
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Hi,
So I have done some searching. Israel and Judah it seems disobeyed God for a very long time, by giving credit to man made objects for what God had done.
Repeatedly God told them that He would not hurt them if they would just tell the truth, that He is God, and not what they are saying is God.
He warned them, and Nebuchadnezzar was God's tool to kill 2/3rds of all those disobedient people, leaving only 1/3rd alive. Those were the farmers and vineyard keepers.
All had rebelled against God. Now, they are held in captivity, by Nebucadnezzer, and this was before Nebuchadnezzar, had also been humbled by God with insanity for 7 years, so He too would give credit where credit is due, thus crediting God for his own power and might and successes.
Your point seems very valid.
What is interesting is the timing. Supposedly everyone was not in compliance, admitting that God Was and Is God.
So, those three Jewish guys should not have opposed Nebuchadnezzar, if all people disobeyed God, by crediting hand made objects with being God, rather than God being God.
If all people opposed God, then the humbling by 2/3rds of them being killed, and the remaining 1/3rd being taken into captivity was already at work, in converting some of them.
However, finding that extreme exception in a world devoid of believers, and applying that to the post Jesus era, where He is always with us on earth in some fashion, or The Holy Spirit Is, hardly equates to not following the Government Laws now, as most Governments are using the laws of God, and the results of what is found out about, how God did things, from those following the Subdue the Earth Command from God, in Genesis 1:28.
LOVE,
Thank you. Daniel is another good example. Where the populous was forbidden to pray and Daniel refused to stop.
Hi,
I find this very complicated. Perhaps you can explain why the King had his accusers killed. They were also the ones who had the law passed in the first place it seems, as in:
23The king was overjoyed and gave orders to lift Daniel out of the den. And when Daniel was lifted from the den, no wound was found on him, because he had trusted in his God.
24At the king’s command, the men who had falsely accused Daniel were brought in and thrown into the lions’ den, along with their wives and children. And before they reached the floor of the den, the lions overpowered them and crushed all their bones.
25Then King Darius wrote to all the nations and peoples of every language in all the earth:
“May you prosper greatly!
26“I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel.
Your point is still valid, it seems to me.
Do you know why the liar Rahab was not found guilty by God of telling lies, to protect those two angels?????
I have always struggled with that one.
LOVE,
Hi,No scientist would say the runway is crowned.Scientists would say, yes it is flat as was requested, even with those laser pointers, as the idea was to build a flat runway for a landing craft, that would be unaffected by gravity.Every scientist knows that the earths gravity, appears to all objects on the earth, as though the earth was a single point......almost.Thus a flat runway is flat to gravity, which is a force. Being a force, that means any changes in the runway, increasing or decreasing that force, is not what was requested.If the runway did result in a change in force upon a high speed landing craft, that too would have to be compensated for, by the landing craft.Making the runway the same gravitationally, thus a crowned runway to light, removes that variable.Scientists only in a lecture to students, might, not would react the way you proposed.Scientists only react when the science is wrong as applied. Gravitationally flat is correct, for a gravitational item. Space Shuttles are gravitational items.LOVE,
I wouldn't say it's gravitationally flat; I'd say it was level. The OP conflates two concepts. Simply noting the differences in the concepts resolves the issue. such a runway would be level, but not flat to the specified tolerances.
As a side note, the marble idea is not a terribly good way to establish level, as the smoothness or roughness of the surface can also prevent the marbles from rolling. Over 5 miles, the final slope of the runway (for a actual flat runway) would probably not be enough to get a marble to roll on a surface as rough as typical asphalt.
Thus, due to the comparatively lax tolerances used to establish levelness, it would likely be possible to create a runway that was both flat and level by these tests. Of course, if we were trying to prove the earth was level and flat to rather poor tolerances, there would be an easier way to do so.
If science considered those to be possible, then they wouldnt be miracles, would they?When Joshua asked God to make the day longer and the sun stopped in the sky as did the moon.
Jesus walking on Water.
Talking snake. Talking donkey....
I agree,if you are talking about undulations in surface.I asked for a flat runway for the space lander, and I got a curved one that is flat.
It's been proven that a curved surface can be flat.
I can't argue with what you said. Mostly because I'm not sure.
The King loved Daniel. The Kings advisers persuaded the King to make the law that they knew Daniel would not abide by, in order to get rid of Daniel as they hated that Daniel still followed the ways of the Jewish people. The King did not want to put Daniel in the lions Den and even stated that he hoped that Daniels God would keep him safe. When the King found Daniel alive and well, he was convinced that Daniels God was real and powerful, saw the evil in his advisers and had them killed.
Just out of curiosity... Doesn't this passage indicate geocentrism?
Just out of curiosity... Doesn't this passage indicate geocentrism?
Hi,
So do you think during The Early Roman Period, when Paul was speaking God's words and not his own, that there were exceptions to Romans 13:1-5???????
Historically, if one believes the stories told by Saints, or the incidents surrounding their deaths are looked at, There are some very surprising things that please God.
I do believe those stories.
The acceptance of death over violating a law of God, has always been highly approved of by God.
I think Joan of Arc was one like that.
Faustina has an interesting experience with Jesus, that confuses me.
Jesus told her do do something, and she did not do that thing He Told her To Do.
When He came and talked to her about it, He asked why she did not do what He told her to Do.
She replied, my superiors(human ones) told her she could not do that.
First, guess what Jesus told her then.
It was not what I expected Him to say.
He said that He is pleased she followed the rules of her superiors.
LOVE,
Hi,
I am a scientist. The only time I ever raise my voice, is when mine or anyone else's proven research is put into question erroneously, or worse yet dishonestly, or lazily.Typically, all the top scientists are like that, also all the top any things.Angry people at work, the angriest ones, I was told were always 80% right.One day, even that I checked. We had a guy who was so angry constantly, that when I finished a project in his work area, I decided to see if that rumor was correct.So, I waited, until whatever he said, would not affect the outcome of my work. I asked him what he thought the problem was. He said it was the heat treatment.When, I finished the project, he was 80% right. All he was missing was the mechanism causing the normal heat treatment to not work in every case.In all the areas I have worked in, all the top scientists are what I have said, in my experience. The only two that were not, lied. I fought with both of them. Eventually they would not engage me, while everyone else would.One pushed it so far as to publish a false conclusion. After doing her work over, without her help, I published the correct answer. She left.It always stunned me in those days, that anyone with a Ph.D., could or would lie.This probably didn't help you one bit. I wrote this in hopes, only.LOVE,
My point being that while taking the stand of a flat earth,
the "scientific response" has been very weak, ranging
from "everybody knows better" to "go watch tall ships."
Just out of curiosity... Doesn't this passage indicate geocentrism?
Let's see...
Shall I keep going?
- When we observe things far away, they disappear over the horizon. This is true regardless of where you are on earth, and this could only happen if the earth was curved
- There is no "edge" of the world; the world has been circumnavigated east-west and north-south.
- There are countless photos of the earth from space that clearly show it to be a spinning ball
- Everything we know about gravity indicates that the earth, like every other large body in the solar system (<insert obligatory yo momma joke here>), must necessarily be more or less round - nothing about its formation or the way gravity works on the planet could possibly apply otherwise
- We are never able to observe the sun's poles from the earth. If the sun was a small orb orbiting above the earth, it would be trivial to see its poles. This does not happen.
- The Erathosthenes experiment is just as valid today as it was 2000 years ago; go do it and see for yourself.
- If the earth were in fact flat, then we would observe drastically different gravitational pulls at the north and south poles. This doesn't happen.
- If the earth were in fact flat and simply accelerating upwards at 1g (the common flat-earther model), then not only would we not experience different gravitational pulls at higher altitudes (gravity is measurably weaker at higher altitudes, and stronger at the poles), but we would have to contend with relativistic effects and would eventually move faster than the speed of light, which we obviously do not
THE. EARTH. IS. NOT. FLAT.
- When we observe things far away, they disappear over the horizon. This is true regardless of where you are on earth, and this could only happen if the earth was curved
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