The dual effort in the creation of the God-Man

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

Albion said:
He had existed as a spirit

For possible research (or just prayer)....

I think Yahuweh and Yahushua are as written in the original texts, and as believed for thousands of years by the faithful ones:

"God is SPIRIT"

not "a spirit".

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

redleghunter said:
Did the Divine Logos, God the Son exist eternally with the Father before the Incarnation? Yes or no?

My answer is clear in the OP.
Did you read it? ... Yes or No?

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
My answer is clear in the OP.
Did you read it? ... Yes or No?

I asked because after reading your OP I have concluded your answer to be 'no.'

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
My answer is clear in the OP.
Did you read it? ... Yes or No?

BCsenior said:
IMO, Jesus was called “the Son of God” because
the Holy Spirit “played the role of His father”.
(He was the “father”, Mary was the mother.)

Good you said "IMO".
(It is not what the Scripture Says Clearly.)

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
"final definitions"?
Really ??
I think it is much much better, and right with Yahuweh,
to simply believe Yahuweh's Meaning - His Own Word -
and not to rely on such "final definitions" by men, anywhere.

Yes, that's why I'm not impressed with the quotes provided by the guy with the red legs.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
So, why was this dual effort to create Jesus required?

???
Effort by who?? (or whom??)

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Good you said "IMO".
(It is not what the Scripture Says Clearly.)

What does the Scripture say Clearly?
P.S. Satan's on the rampage again.

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
Yes, that's why I'm not impressed with the quotes provided by the guy with the red legs.

Just pay attention to the verses cited in what I provided.

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
IMO, Jesus was called “the Son of God” because
the Holy Spirit “played the role of His father”.
(He was the “father”, Mary was the mother.)

I believe this is the "modalist" view held by some sects of Pentecostals.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
What does the Scripture say Clearly?
P.S. Satan's on the rampage again.

Again, it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is not what is written in Scripture, clearly or otherwise.
Genesis to Revelation does not say what you have posted, at least not anyplace I've read.

In this case above, "again" is not apparently accurate. Hasatan never stopped, did he ? So he and the demons are STILL doing as they do,

as written in Scripture, which is truth.

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

Maybe it is time for the Irish Twins:

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

redleghunter said:
I believe this is the "modalist" view held by some sects of Pentecostals.

?? Really??
I hope not too many of them......

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

redleghunter said:
I believe this is the "modalist" view held by some sects of Pentecostals.

Could be, but I just came up with it by myself (or was it by the Holy Spirit?).
Ditto for the dual stuff.
I mean, has anyone commented on the dual effort?
The Word was involved in Jesus being fully God.
The Holy Spirit was involved in Jesus being created as a man (fully or not).
Let's everyone stop for a moment ... and think, instead of writing.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

No.

When someone/ anyone comes up with an idea "by myself", that has already been identified as in error, there's no good to come from even "stop a moment" nor "think" about it. The Bereans did not act that way - if something was contrary to the Word of God , they did not continue to "think" about it - they did not accept it.

BCsenior said:
Could be, but I just came up with it by myself (or was it by the Holy Spirit?).
Ditto for the dual stuff.
I mean, has anyone commented on the dual effort?
The Word was involved in Jesus being fully God.
The Holy Spirit was involved in Jesus being created as a man (fully or not).
Let's everyone stop for a moment and think instead of writing.

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
What does the Scripture say Clearly?

Colossians 2: NASB

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

redleghunter said:
Colossians 2: NASB

8 ... Christ.
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Where did I say that Jesus was not fully God?
Of course He is ...
E.G. several NT verses say He was EQUAL to Father God.
One cannot be equal to God without also being God.

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
?? Really??
I hope not too many of them......

Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic or Jesus' Name Pentecostalism) is a movement within the Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism. It derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the "Oneness doctrine," a form of Modalistic Monarchianism.[1] This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine Spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

This stands in sharp contrast to the doctrine of three distinct and eternal persons posited by Trinitarian theology. Oneness believers baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, rather than using the Trinitarian formula, of baptizing "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."

redleghunter · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
Where did I say that Jesus was not fully God?
Of course He is ...
E.G. several NT verses say He was EQUAL to Father God.

You are now becoming confusing. A few posts ago you were calling the Holy Spirit a 'father figure' for Jesus.

BCsenior · Oct 31, 2019

redleghunter said:
You are now becoming confusing.
A few posts ago you were calling the Holy Spirit a 'father figure' for Jesus.

Chow!

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 31, 2019

BCsenior said:
Chow!

The dual effort in the creation of the God-Man

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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Thank You Jesus!

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

Still an evangelist

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

Still an evangelist

Thank You Jesus!

Thank You Jesus!

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

Thank You Jesus!

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

Still an evangelist

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

Thank You Jesus!

Still an evangelist

Thank You Jesus!

Thank You Jesus!

Still an evangelist

simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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