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No, pretty sure those were scripture references I posted.Ahh so ..no scripture ..just sentences plucked out and peiced together to say what you like to hear..bit like an anonymous ransom note
Amen!Indeed:
Rom 6:14, rom3:31, rom1:17, rom3:20, rom3:21&22, rom10:4, rom7:4-6, gal2:19, gal2:21, gal3:19, gal3:23-25, gal5:4&5, eph2:8&9, eph2:15, phil3:9, col1:22&23, heb9:26, heb10:10, heb10:14, gal4:21
Nope sorry. In the scriptural text there are no verses .it's a continual text.No, pretty sure those were scripture references I posted.
Amen!
As I read elsewhere..this awkward question..But the Eternal Security Proponent is saying that a person can be immoral like an atheist on some level and still be saved by having a mere belief on Jesus.
Now what is confusing and deceptive is that sometimes the Eternal Security Proponent may say we are to be more Christ like on the one hand and yet on the other hand they say we can sin and still be saved and we will not stop sinning in this life. Some say they can sin 24/7 and are saved. Some say you can commit suicide and still be saved. They cannot make up their mind on what they are saying. They contradict themselves.
Eternal Security puts out two messages that conflicts with itself. On one hand Eternal Security believers say you are to be holy and then on the other hand they say you can sin and still be saved.
This is clearly wrong because the Bible talks about how we are to be distinct from the world by righteous actions. There is no compromise on doing good. If one is to be holy, then that should be a consistent teaching in everything they say. We are to lead every thought captive to Christ.
Anyways, please give less opinion and more Scripture to prove your case in what you are saying in regards to the verses I posted. Thank you.
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And then hope that over the course of eternity you never change your mind for even a second, O fickle human. And don't tell me that God will keep you from changing, because that's not free will.
These people, who most earnestly demanded the law be kept to be righteous, have every outward impression they were the most holy, and pious of people.
Pray to God, ask him to enlighten you as to whether such people are in these forums, if you are unsure.Do you see those people here? Can you point them out?
Moving of goalposts duly noted.Nope sorry. In the scriptural text there are no verses .it's a continual text. So you've just picked sentences out of context and made up your own storyline.
I for one would never insist that people stuff their foot into any shoe that doesn't fit.Do you see those people here? Can you point them out?
Pray to God, ask him to enlighten you as to whether such people are in these forums, if you are unsure.
I think you would listen to God, more than you would the opinions of man, either way
Then you have come to your personal conclusion.May point is, I don't see them, I don't think anyone here is depending, or so much as suggesting anyone depend on the law for salvation.
Unfortunately Jason, you don't understand the heart of the gospel message. Having the ability to reel off the letter, doesn't mean you understand the truth of the message. That was proved so well to be true in biblical timesStuart:
Yes, many in the Eternal Security camp justify sins like lying and lusting after women as being minor or small sins to God. They do not think these sins are as serious as say murder or rape. This plays into their belief of the two message gospel of Eternal Security that says we are to live holy on the one hand and yet on the other hand we can sin and still be saved.
Now, it is true that not all sin has the same degree or weight. Jesus essentially said the Pharisees ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, justice, faith, and mercy, (Matthew 23:23) (Luke 11:42). Jesus says there is a greater sin (John 19:11); And there are even unforgivable sins like speaking blasphemous words against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32). 1 John 5:16-17 says there are sins unto death and sins not unto death.
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As I read elsewhere..this awkward question..
-Why do osas types suggest a righteous person in Christ WILL continue to sin...
But never call a person practicing sin a rightous person ...?
Unfortunately Jason, you don't understand the heart of the gospel message. Having the ability to reel off the letter, doesn't mean you understand the truth of the message. That was proved so well to be true in biblical times
So now come the untruths/ lies. That says much!Then explain it to me with God's Word. Oh wait, but that would be with the letter of God's Word that you condemn, right? So why bother even using Scripture then? Is not all Scripture profitable for doctrine? (See 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
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BTW Jason.Then explain it to me with God's Word. Oh wait, but that would be with the letter of God's Word that you condemn, right? So why bother even using Scripture then? Is not all Scripture profitable for doctrine? (See 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Is Scripture something that appeals to only your defense when you say so?
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Then you have come to your personal conclusion.
May I ask?
If a person believes the Christian is under a law of righteousness, in your view, are they depending on observing the law to attain heaven/ be ultimately saved?
Could you tell us if you yourself strive to obey each and every literal command of Christ?
My understanding is that once one is saved, they're saved, no matter what. It's very difficult to factor one's behavior into it without it becoming a slippery slope into a works-based salvation.
Salvation brings about the good works, but good works don't bring about (or maintain) the salvation. That's how I've always understood it, anyway.
BTW Jason.
You often quote Jesus words, that if we love him we will obey his commandments.
Could you tell us if you yourself strive to obey each and every literal command of Christ?
When responding, please bear in mind what you wrote in your Initial post in this thread
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