What kind of church were you going to where you didn't know you needed the Holy Spirit for 30 years?
A truly born again Christian hates the sin that binds them. They don't want a licence to sin, they want victory over it.
As for beating your wife, getting drunk every night, being a habitual thief, constantly using foul language. Yes, God will accept even such a wretched soul, then he will change them, by a righteousness of faith in Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit. NEITHER of which are available to the unsaved
As I always say. Pentecostals/ many evangelicals could walk hand in hand with the RC church over justification.What kind of church were you going to where you didn't know you needed the Holy Spirit for 30 years?
So you believe a person must defeat their sin, under a righteousness of observing the law, without the help of the Holy Spirit. Then God will place them in a saved stateTo me that is still the Spirit DRAWING that person to full faith in Christ. They are still powerless.
As I always say. Pentecostals/ many evangelicals could walk hand in hand with the RC church over justification.
Whip yourself into shape, purge yourself of all your sin, then, and only then will God accept you as his child
God will have to wash his hands of him and cast him into the lake of fire,I'll add what if the poor chap dies before they become sinless. No Holy Spirit, no Christ.
Grace as power, you?Here is the pendulum on salvation and grace:
G as unmerited favor <> G as Power <> Law
Stuart <> Me <> Jason
So you believe a person must defeat their sin, under a righteousness of observing the law, without the help of the Holy Spirit. Then God will place them in a saved state
I am confused. You Keep stressing to me the believer has the power to overcome sin because they have the Holy Spirit.
If you must cease all sin to be saved. YOU must overcome sin in your own strength, devoid of the Holy Spirit( rom8:9)
Grace as power, you?
But you are saying sin must be overcome without grace. Only the saved gave grace, not the unsaved
The holy spirit does not dwell in the unsaved, only the saved( rom8:9)No, we must REPENT. Then the Holy Spirit comes upon us to rid us of the desire. It is by the power of the Spirit of Christ. If we could overcome sin on our own, there would be no need for the Holy Spirit to be our helper.
The holy spirit does not dwell in the unsaved, only the saved( rom8:9)
You insist the u saved must overcome their sin to be saved. So they don't have the power of the holy spirit to over one sin
I am seriously confused.These are our respective teachings.
The rest of your paragraph didn't make sense, nor does it seem you understand me.
I think prayer would be a good ideaI already gave you the order as I see it. Look, honey bunny, I've got to go to prayer meeting. See you later.
The Holy Spirit does a lot more than help us overcome sin.No, we must REPENT. Then the Holy Spirit comes upon us to rid us of the desire. It is by the power of the Spirit of Christ. If we could overcome sin on our own, there would be no need for the Holy Spirit to be our helper.
I am seriously confused.
You say
Grace is power
Only the saved have grace, not the unsaved. You say no one can be saved until they cease a their sin. Therefore you must believe you have to cease your sin without the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in you.
I think everyone else will understand the point I am making here
The Holy Spirit does a lot more than help us overcome sin.
Does the Holy Spirit help us to overcome sin or convict us of our sin?
If you have the Holy Spirit you are saved.Not cease their sin because they can't. REPENT - CRY OUT TO GOD. He then gives the Holy Spirit to empower you to cease the sin. Without the Spirit, we can do nothing.
Gotta run.
The missing factor...the belief in God's mercy.As I always say. Pentecostals/ many evangelicals could walk hand in hand with the RC church over justification.
Whip yourself into shape, purge yourself of all your sin, then, and only then will God accept you as his child
I apologize for taking so long to respond to this, with work it can be difficult to keep up. I do believe my salvation is secure. I do not believe that this believe is a salvation issue.
Now, I had given you a scripture Ephesians 1:13-14, that does teach eternal security. To make your point, you brutally misrepresented the scripture. We are not sealed with approval, we are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT. It is God working in us, not God approving of us.
smh. That's why the entire theology makes no sense.God will have to wash his hands of him and cast him into the lake of fire,
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