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The difference in the two covenants

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The old covenant written in stone influenced the outward actions of man through fear of punishment.

The new covenant influences the inward thoughts of man through love, which in turn influences the outward actions.

The old covenant was the letter on stone.

The new covenant is that same letter written on the heart.

The old covenant had it's authority in the Law on stone.

The new covenant has its authority in the words and life of Jesus.

The law on stone showed us what is expected of us.

The words of Jesus explained the Law as it relates to relationships.

The life of Jesus is the example of what life looks like when someone keeps the spirit of law, which is love for God and love for man.

Both the old covenant and the new covenant have the law on stone as its foundation.

The old covenant written on stone was an outward influence and the new covenant law based on the words and life of Jesus is an inward influence through the Spirit.

Either way, both covenants have the Ten Commandments as its foundation.

The big diference between the old and new covenant is the difference between fear and love.

If fear is our motive for obeying any law then when we feel we can break a law and get away with it then fear will no longer control us. But if we obey because of love then even when we know we can disobey without punishment we will still obey because we love.
 
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Both the old covenant and the new covenant have the law on stone as its foundation. Either way, both covenants have the Ten Commandments as its foundation.

I am confused by this. Hebrews 8 confirms that the new covenant is not like the old, that the old is obsolete. 2 Corinthians 3 confirms that the letters engraved on stone are the ministry that brings death that were fading even when Paul was alive. In your discussion of the subject, it seems that some relevant facts may be missing.

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Those statements are far from the truth.......no scriptures to back it up.

If God said the New wont be like the one given at Sinai, that means that it wont be the ten commandments. That's why it's written "we're not under the law."

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The New Covenant is a strange thing that has to be understood in light a being a bondslave to God just as Paul himself identified himself as.

What God does in the New Covenant is that He frees us from the Law so that we can freely keep the Law because we love Him.

Exodus 21:2 "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment.

Exouds 21:5-6 "But if the slave plainly says, "I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' "then his master shall bring him to the judges. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.

This is why we read verses that say:

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Shall we break God's Law because we are free?

No Way!

We keep the Law because we know it pleases Him and because we love Him it's not a burden.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Even when faith comes we will keep His commandments.

Romans 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

God frees us from the Law so that we can freely keep the Law. This is how He writes the Law on our hearts, which is the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,''

We have to understand that we are free, which allows us to become a willful bondslave.

1 Peter 2:16 Act as free, and not using your freedom for a cloak of wickedness, but as bondservants of God.

If we keep the Law out of fear or obligation it is not obedience from the heart.

Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

The Ten Commandments teach us how to love God and neighbor with a gody love.

Let's say you meet someone on line who lives thousands of miles away. You both start sharing your personal likes and dislikes. Over time you fall in love with this person before you even meet them.

Now comes the time when you meet. You already know what they like and what they dislike so your relationship with them is such a blessing.

This is what the Ten Commandments are all about. God, who is invisible, is sharing His likes and dislike with us. When we begin to read about God we fall in love with Him and desire to please Him through what He wrote with His own finger. Take away the writings of God and you take away the heart of God.

Let us become a bondservant to God and freely keep His Law because we love Him. In this we enter into life.

Mark 10:17-19 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?'' So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. "You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery,' `Do not murder,' `Do not steal,' `Do not bear false witness,' `Do not defraud,' `Honor your father and your mother.' ''

The Ten Commandments are good, holy and just, they are not sin. The only one who has a problem with them is the old man and Satan. If we die to the old man the Law will become a delight to us and will bring life because they are good, holy and just.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

If you truly love God and neighbor you will keep the Law because keeping the commandments will be the expression of true godly love. In other words, if you love God you will have no other gods, you won't worship images, you won't use His name in vain and you will keep the Sabbath holy. If you love your neighbor you keep the other six commandments as well. You can't willfully break the Law and love God and neighbor.

If we do break the Law it should hurt our hearts and cause us to turn to 1 John 1:9.

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What God does in the New Covenant is that He frees us from the Law so that we can freely keep the Law because we love Him.


How can we be joined to the law once we've died to it?

Shall we break God's Law because we are free?

You confuse "sin" with "law." Sin existed before law.

We keep the Law because we know it pleases Him and because we love Him it's not a burden.

We keep the law? Is this a true statement?

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
6"This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."
Even when faith comes we will keep His commandments.

There is none righteous (Romans 3). The whole world is a slave to sin (Galatians 3).

Romans 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

We establish the law by faith, not by obedience.

God frees us from the Law so that we can freely keep the Law.

We die to the law so that we may be joined with the law?


If we keep the Law out of fear or obligation it is not obedience from the heart.

If we teach that--one day--sabbath breakers will receive the mark of the beast, do we encourage obedience from the heart or obedience out of fear or obligation?

The Ten Commandments teach us how to love God and neighbor with a gody love.

And the Holy Spirit? What does He do? Sit on a could with a harp, eating bon-bons?

Let's say you meet someone on line who lives thousands of miles away. You both start sharing your personal likes and dislikes. Over time you fall in love with this person before you even meet them. Now comes the time when you meet. You already know what they like and what they dislike so your relationship with them is such a blessing.

Is God ever thousands of miles away? Does the Spirit live in our hearts or in some far away place?

This is what the Ten Commandments are all about. God, who is invisible, is sharing His likes and dislike with us. When we begin to read about God we fall in love with Him and desire to please Him through what He wrote with His own finger. Take away the writings of God and you take away the heart of God.

So the Holy Spirit is entirely impotent?

Let us become a bondservant to God and freely keep His Law because we love Him. In this we enter into life.

In Jesus' discussion with the rich young ruler, why was He so careful to point out that there is only One who is good?

The Ten Commandments are good, holy and just, they are not sin.


They are the ministry that brings death, not because of the fault of the law but because of the fault of the people. It is for this reason that the new covenant is not like the old.

The only one who has a problem with them is the old man and Satan. If we die to the old man the Law will become a delight to us and will bring life because they are good, holy and just.

So we die to the law so that we may be joined with the law?

If you truly love God and neighbor you will keep the Law because keeping the commandments will be the expression of true godly love.

If you truly love God and neighbor, you can be 100% certain that this is the result of the Spirit's work in you and not the result of your work in yourself as you read shadowy words.

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How can we be joined to the law once we've died to it?



You confuse "sin" with "law." Sin existed before law.



We keep the law? Is this a true statement?

6"This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."
There is none righteous (Romans 3). The whole world is a slave to sin (Galatians 3).



We establish the law by faith, not by obedience.

God frees us from the Law so that we can freely keep the Law.

We die to the law so that we may be joined with the law?




If we teach that--one day--sabbath breakers will receive the mark of the beast, do we encourage obedience from the heart or obedience out of fear or obligation?



And the Holy Spirit? What does He do? Sit on a could with a harp, eating bon-bons?



Is God ever thousands of miles away? Does the Spirit live in our hearts or in some far away place?



So the Holy Spirit is entirely impotent?



In Jesus' discussion with the rich young ruler, why was He so careful to point out that there is only One who is good?



They are the ministry that brings death, not because of the fault of the law but because of the fault of the people. It is for this reason that the new covenant is not like the old.



So we die to the law so that we may be joined with the law?



If you truly love God and neighbor, you can be 100% certain that this is the result of the Spirit's work in you and not the result of your work in yourself as you read shadowy words.

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Let me ask you a couple of questions.

Do you have other gods in your life?

Do you make or bow down to idols?

Do you use God's name in vain?

Do you keep the seventh day holy?

Do you honor your mother and father?

Do you murder?

Do you commit adultery?

Do you steal?

Do you bear a false witness against your neighbor?

Do you lust for things you can't have?
 
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Let me ask you a couple of questions.

Do you have other gods in your life?

Do you make or bow down to idols?

Do you use God's name in vain?

Do you keep the seventh day holy?

Do you honor your mother and father?

Do you murder?

Do you commit adultery?

Do you steal?

Do you bear a false witness against your neighbor?

Do you lust for things you can't have?

If I am guilty on one point (and the Scriptures make it abundantly clear that I am), then I am guilty on all points. With respect to your above questions, I am guilty as charged. With respect to your above questions, every human is guilty as charged. It is for this very reason that a new covenant was established. The fault was with the people. The whole world is a slave to sin. This includes you and it includes me.

I have died to the law so that I may be joined with another. That other is not the law. That other is God, His Son and His Spirit. I am in need of nothing else.

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If I am guilty on one point (and the Scriptures make it abundantly clear that I am), then I am guilty on all points. With respect to your above questions, I am guilty as charged. With respect to your above questions, every human is guilty as charged. It is for this very reason that a new covenant was established. The fault was with the people. The whole world is a slave to sin. This includes you and it includes me.

I have died to the law so that I may be joined with another. That other is not the law. That other is God, His Son and His Spirit. I am in need of nothing else.

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It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

The words of Jesus are the foundation for the New Covenant.

John 12:48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Jesus' words and life magnified the Law and bring honor to them.

Isaiah 42:1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

How did the words and life of Jesus magnified the Law and brought honor to them?

Because religious man distorted them and placed heavy burdens on them that they themselves were not willing to carry.

If you are a brother or sister of Christ you will do the will of the Father.

Matthew 12:50 "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.''

What is the will of the Father?

2 John 1:5-6 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

Walking according to the commandments of God is what manifests godly love in our lives. This is what they've heard from the beginning. In other words, all throughout the Old Testament.

The New Covenant is not a new commandment but an old one.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether it is good or whether it is evil.
 
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In response to K4c in #4

The New Covenant is not a strange thing, the blood of Jesus sealed this Holy and eternal covenant.:doh:



Imagine being freed from jail so you can stay in jail freely:D . Yea, that's a pretty questionable idea.




Sorry Pal, the rest of your commentary are not bible, they're using and abusing isolated text that are taken out of context to create questionable teachings.

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In response to K4c in #4

The New Covenant is not a strange thing, the blood of Jesus sealed this Holy and eternal covenant.:doh:

Imagine being freed from jail so you can stay in jail freely:D . Yea, that's a pretty questionable idea.

Sorry Pal, the rest of your commentary are not bible, they're using and abusing isolated text that are taken out of context to create questionable teachings.

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Imagine being free from jail only live a life of crime once again, sorry Pal.

The jail was the penelty for your crime. You have been set from the penelty not to commit the crime again.

You guys realy need to start reading your Bible.
 
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Imagine being free from jail only live a life of crime once again, sorry Pal.

The jail was the penelty for your crime. You have been set from the penelty not to commit the crime again.

You guys realy need to start reading your Bible.


You said.....
What God does in the New Covenant is that He frees us from the Lawso that we can freely keep the Law because we love Him.
By posting 1 more text than you... Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

Comment on the text;
This text sez....We're delivered from the law.
....we're dead to the law

We're to serve God (not the law) in newness of spirit,
...not in the old letter.....(this implies no writing on the heart or anywhere)



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You said.....
By posting 1 more text than you... Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

Comment on the text;
This text sez....We're delivered from the law.
....we're dead to the law

We're to serve God (not the law) in newness of spirit,
...not in the old letter.....(this implies no writing on the heart or anywhere)



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We die to sin, not keeping the commandments.

Romans 6:2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

The Law is not sin.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.''

The commandments will always point out sin so that those who love God and those who are coming to God can make the changes needed to be a godly people.
 
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We die to sin, not keeping the commandments.

Romans 6:2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
You're now disputing me saying "we dead to the law" by commenting on the text that I posted.
It's not surprising that you dont apply this context than Rom 6 where it also say clearly we're not under the law.
Rom 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
I post text so you can quote the facts from the bible. The context proves that you're wrong.
Rom 7:4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
These texts reiterate that we're dead to the law and are married to the Lord.
Rom 6 is not talking about dieing to the law, it's talking about dieing to sin, that's why I post text.

The Law is not sin.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet.''

The commandments will always point out sin so that those who love God and those who are coming to God can make the changes needed to be a godly people.
Who said the law was sin??? You're the one switching words arround and raising a straw argument to confuse the facts. What is chrystal clear is, You're preaching the law and text are saying we're dead to the law.

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You're now disputing me saying "we dead to the law" by commenting on the text that I posted.
It's not surprising that you dont apply this context than Rom 6 where it also say clearly we're not under the law.
Rom 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
I post text so you can quote the facts from the bible. The context proves that you're wrong.
Rom 7:4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
These texts reiterate that we're dead to the law and are married to the Lord.
Rom 6 is not talking about dieing to the law, it's talking about dieing to sin, that's why I post text.

Who said the law was sin??? You're the one switching words arround and raising a straw argument to confuse the facts. What is chrystal clear is, You're preaching the law and text are saying we're dead to the law.

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Okay, I'll preach love.

If you love God show it by not having other Gods.

If you love God by not worshiping idols.

If you love God by not using His name in vain.

If you love God show it by honoring the Sabbath.

Without these foundational truths that define love towards God than you only become a moral social club.

If Jesus didn't live by these same principles He would have been a sinner and disqualified as the perfect sacrifice. We are called to walk as He walked.
 
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What does the Bible say?

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Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether it is good or whether it is evil.
 
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