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The difference between manga and comics?
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None. "Manga" is Japanese for "comic", as "animé" (rhyming with "hay" not "anime" rhyming with "lime") is a word used in Japan that means "animation". So it's really silly to use the word "manga" when we already have a word that means that. Most Americans these days don't know basic grammar, so the superfluous use of the words "manga" and "animé" stem from ignorance.
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WELL... technically KarateCowboy is correct. However, when used those two words apply ONLY to the comics and animation coming out of Japan. There are enough people out there who are just into Japanese animation or comics to justify the usage of the terms to separate them.
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Same reason AMVs from Japan are referred to as MADs; it's an endemic term (like anime, I've seen Western AMVs referred to as MADs on Japanese P2P networks).
Although at least with that one there are legitimate differences in the composition, depending on the segment you look at - Seishiga MADs are definitively Japanese, as well as being what most people think of when hearing the term MAD in reference to fanvideo, and there are few Western editors that take on that level of editing (insanity?). Douga MADs are roughly the same thing as AMVs, though.
It's a loanword - same as English adopts terms from other languages to describe unique things (whether it matches the original language's definition or not). For instance, Shadenfreude, or a laundry list of other terms that naturally occur within English itself but simply different dialects from different regions. And *shock* Japanese is guilty of it too - the amount of gratuitous Engrish that occurs in the media is both amusing and frightening at the same time.
To complain about anime you may as well take issue with all other English loanwords, or specifically the Japanese ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Japanese_origin
Although at least with that one there are legitimate differences in the composition, depending on the segment you look at - Seishiga MADs are definitively Japanese, as well as being what most people think of when hearing the term MAD in reference to fanvideo, and there are few Western editors that take on that level of editing (insanity?). Douga MADs are roughly the same thing as AMVs, though.
It's a loanword - same as English adopts terms from other languages to describe unique things (whether it matches the original language's definition or not). For instance, Shadenfreude, or a laundry list of other terms that naturally occur within English itself but simply different dialects from different regions. And *shock* Japanese is guilty of it too - the amount of gratuitous Engrish that occurs in the media is both amusing and frightening at the same time.
To complain about anime you may as well take issue with all other English loanwords, or specifically the Japanese ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Japanese_origin
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To be accurate, animé (rhyming with "hay", not anime, rhyming with "time") is a loan word of a loan word. So just to clarify, when Westerners invented animation the Japanese borrowed the word and abbreviated it to refer to all forms of animation --Disney, Miyazaki, Donald Duck, Pixar, etcetera. Then, despite already having a way of describing animation done in a distinctively Japanese style, Americans decided it would be good to borrow the word back to refer exclusively to Japanese animations. Now, as borders gray, American comic book companies bring their heroes to fusion style animations, and people become less ignorant of the Japanese usage of the word animé (rhyming with "hay", not anime, rhyming with "time"), we see much confusion about how to use the term. Hence, it is best just to do away with the confusion by using the original English phraseology: animation, letting the Japanese keep their loanword and using our own.
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Then there would be other problems encountered by doing that. In DVD stores there would be an Animation section, but to avoid confusion there would have to be a Kids Animation section and Teen/Adult Animation section (not sure what you could actually title this that wouldn't be awkward), in addition to the Mature Animation section. The stuff in the Adult Animation and Mature Animation sections would be pretty much unchanged... with the random addition of Persepolis or possibly The Triplets of Belleville, while shuttling the so-called "kiddier" anime to the kid's section. How would they determine what is "kiddy" versus what is not? Rating? About all the DVDs I checked in my collection are labeled 13+, even the stuff more commonly seen as kid titles... so even stuff like Naruto would be in the Teen/Adult section. Stuff from regular movie distributors like Spirited Away and The Cat Returns (Disney) have regular ratings (PG), so they might then get put in the kid's section... but what point is it to have them in the kid's anime but Naruto in the Teen/Adult section when most of the Naruto fans will be younger and most of the Studio Ghibli fans will be older. So then if you leave it up to perception you've got someone (retail bigwigs) who haven't watched a speck of anime in their life determining whether an anime is kiddy or teen/adult or mature. You start seeing Azumanga Daioh in the kiddy section or Kiddy Grade in the kiddy section (the prior, tragic. the later, really really tragic)... It Would Be Bad News.
You might want to toss everything into the same section, eliminating the "kid" vs "teen/adult" distinction (though there would still have to be distinction for mature)... but here in America most people still view animation as a thing made for kids. It would be too confusing for parents having DVDs of Desert Punk sitting next to DVDs of Arthur or Babar. You don't want a kid picking up Perfect Blue and the parent saying ok because it is in the "Animation" section. The term "anime" at least has this connotation of difference in the general populace that will prevent the above from happening most of the time.
Just because a word is a "loan word" does't mean it can't be used. The term "anime" serves its purpose and serves it well. Language changes... our lexicons change... life goes on.
You might want to toss everything into the same section, eliminating the "kid" vs "teen/adult" distinction (though there would still have to be distinction for mature)... but here in America most people still view animation as a thing made for kids. It would be too confusing for parents having DVDs of Desert Punk sitting next to DVDs of Arthur or Babar. You don't want a kid picking up Perfect Blue and the parent saying ok because it is in the "Animation" section. The term "anime" at least has this connotation of difference in the general populace that will prevent the above from happening most of the time.
Just because a word is a "loan word" does't mean it can't be used. The term "anime" serves its purpose and serves it well. Language changes... our lexicons change... life goes on.
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Most retailers I've seen actually do just throw all of 'em in together (Best Buy, at least), and only put stuff in the kid's section - if there is one - in the cases of stuff like Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh, where it's pretty firmly established because of TV broadcasts.
But you'll definitely see Naruto and X/1999 (I mean the movie) sitting in the same section together, despite one being 13+ and the other being officially rated by the MPAA as R. Or insert Elfen Lied in there somewhere (funny enough, the thing that caught my mom's attention on Elfen Lied was the warning of nudity - having already seen the show, I was thinking 'that's really not what you should be worried about with this one').
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Actually they do have an Kids Animated section, and a section called Animated at my local Blockbuster. And that's it. Done. No need for a special section called animé (rhyming with "hay", not anime, rhyming with "time").
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