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The Decline of Christianity in the West

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DogmaHunter

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The accusation I make is adhering to a system which eliminates the possibility that anything supernatural, even if present and existent, cannot be proven, and then require that anyone use that system to prove such.

How do you differentiate what exists from what doesn't exist, if not through objective evidence?
 
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So what if someone brought that up. If science is really as open minded as it claims, it would give the Thor theorist a chance to test, to research.
 
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Tough? It would be tough to disbelieve something like that, since it means you have absolute assurance that there is zero evidence anywhere in the universe to point to a deity. That's what atheism is. Sound reasonable? Not to me.

Brian,

One thing we may want to keep in mind as Christians is that what someone like the Apostle Paul would have thought about as 'evidence' for a Creator would have been a far cry more general than what Creationists today (or ID proponents) would cite specifically as 'evidence.'

If we go beyond the basic ideas of the Apostles, we move into a cognitive and philosophical space of suppositions that can actually hurt Christian faith. This is something that today's Christians have not yet learned it seems. We should not be asserting that we see more than what God Himself has given us through His Word.

Peace
 
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How do you differentiate what exists from what doesn't exist, if not through objective evidence?

If objective means eliminating entire categories, then pretty much anything would be worth at least trying.

As it stands now, science writes off the majority of humanity as being part of some mass delusion simply because its system can't compute.
 
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How so, or is that just something you throw in there sometimes?

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

I asked you to engage anyone on the board as to how your posts relate to you understanding how science works.

You changed my original statement = straw man
 
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Your original post wasn't very clear, and there was no intent of misrepresentation. Would you clarify?
 
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If there are holes in an established scientific theory, how come nobody is willing to publish anything for peer review?

Ken
 
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i used to worry about stuff like this but now i don't care ...i try to spread the word but if people dont or wont listen thats gods will ..if i die the last christian i will be happy because that the lords will
 
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If there are holes in an established scientific theory, how come nobody is willing to publish anything for peer review?

Ken

I imagine nobody is able to make it that far in the process for the incredible bias.
 
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I imagine nobody is able to make it that far in the process for the incredible bias.
Anybody can publish something for peer review! If you found flaws in (for example) evolution; you could publish it and if nobody is able to find flaws in your findings, you would become rich and famous as the man who dispelled Evolution! How do you think abiogenesis got discredited?

Ken
 
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Never did much consideration on abiogenesis, to tell you the truth.

I'll have to see if there are published reviews, then, for all the books already out there.
 
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There's a fair number of possible reasons/contributing factors....

One such reason would be access to information. I doubt there was ever a time in history when so many christians and atheists were engaging each other in religious conversations. Historical aspects of christianity that most christians never encounter in church are being revealed to them online. I would imagine the realization that certain aspects of christianity are different from what one may have been taught their whole life would have a rather serious impact upon the average christian.

Another reason may be the reduction of stigmas surrounding groups that christianity had traditionally demonized in the past (and the present). We also have the internet to partly thank for this... but over the past 100 years the social stigmas surrounding gays and atheists[bless and do not curse]has reduced. As such, little christian children grow up next door to or going to school with these people. If a friend you've grown up with is one of those people your church tells you is wicked or hellbound in god's eyes... I think it's pretty natural that you might begin to question what's being said in church every week.

There's many more reasons like these that could also be considered contributing factors... but I think the biggest reason is the one that's inherent in the discussion between the faithful and faithless....truth. I'm of the opinion that reason and logic speak louder than any preacher ever could.... even if the truth is something you'd prefer not to hear.

Eventually, truth wins out.
 
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Tough? It would be tough to disbelieve something like that, since it means you have absolute assurance that there is zero evidence anywhere in the universe to point to a deity. That's what atheism is. Sound reasonable? Not to me.

That's not what atheism is.

So what if someone brought that up. If science is really as open minded as it claims, it would give the Thor theorist a chance to test, to research.

The Thor theorist has the same opportunity to support his claims as anyone else.
 
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