the death penalty

[dogs4thewin]

Do you support it?

I do not for both ethical and political reasons ( Which is why it is here.

1. the money involved it costs more to put someone to death than imprison them for life. That is due to several reasons.

2. There is always the chance of mistakes and you can release people from prison, but not bring them back.

3. It is actually hard on the VICTIM'S family as they usually appear in court several times in the course of the case.

4. It does not bring the victim back. It is not as if by killing the person you will stop the pain. All in do is cause the murderer's family pain. Which they DO have families, as well.

5 and this is a "different" one that most people do not consider, but really when you put someone on death row you lose much control. The reason is because with OTHER inmates (even life without parole you can give and take away privileges as inmates earn them. Even with life without parole inmates can get in general population or seg as their behavior changes. In some states they have the privilege of a contact visit if they behave that can be lost if they break rules. They can have more in the way of store ( sometimes) and more free time activity options. They also work ( which allows them additional time out of their cells death row inmates do not. Many times if they are in general population they can have a cell mate or at least contact with other inmates. If they are sentenced to a term of years or life WITH parole they can get more criminal charges if they break the LAW while incarcerated ( does not really do much on death row). All of these things can be lost ( except the last one if the inmate does not follow the rules.

On the other hand, death row is SO restrictive that really there are two classes of inmates those that behave in hopes of getting off death row and their sentences changed and those that are like well what is the point if I hurt people today what are they going to do they can only kill me once and end up VERY violent because they do not care and have no reason to care.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

All good reasons to do away with the DP.

What's the reason we keep it around still? Oh yeah... deterrence. How well is that working out? What's the murder rate in the US compared to countries without the DP?

 

[dogs4thewin]

All good reasons to do away with the DP.

What's the reason we keep it around still? Oh yeah... deterrence. How well is that working out? What's the murder rate in the US compared to countries without the DP?

Well, people argue that it would work if it were quicker, but there is a REASON that it is so slow, and if you were on it and not guilty I suspect you would be glad of that.

 

[pakicetus]

I'm not sure whether to support the death penalty or not. The best argument in its favor is that it's more humane than life imprisonment.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm not sure whether to support the death penalty or not. The best argument in its favor is that it's more humane than life imprisonment.

or not because often they have NO idea when it will be and the date keeps getting pushed back and pushed back. At least with not knowing when you will die the life way there are not dates that kept being set.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

I'm not sure whether to support the death penalty or not. The best argument in its favor is that it's more humane than life imprisonment.

I keep hearing people say stuff like that. I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life. What I've seen while working with prisoners and with the terminally ill, though, is that people want to live. Even if it's "just one more day". Sometimes, "just one more breath". Doesn't matter the limitations of their illness, doesn't matter how deplorable their living conditions. One more day.

If the best argument in favor of the death penalty is you deciding for someone else what's more humane for them, then the death penalty should have been abolished centuries ago.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I keep hearing people say stuff like that. I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life. What I've seen while working with prisoners and with the terminally ill, though, is that people want to live. Even if it's "just one more day". Sometimes, "just one more breath". Doesn't matter the limitations of their illness, doesn't matter how deplorable their living conditions. One more day.

If the best argument in favor of the death penalty is you deciding for someone else what's more humane for them, then the death penalty should have been abolished centuries ago.

and those people have yet to learn that every life owes a death. It will happen, so at a certain point you may as well get ready. When I say this I am talking about those people who would whether stay hooked up to a machine with no chance of improving than to let go. I am not saying that people should just die.

 

[Willtor]

If somebody would rather die than endure life imprisonment, I wouldn't be opposed to that. However, as has been said, I suspect this is the few. If we do continue to execute people, though, I would support measures to replace the present systems with humane ones.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If somebody would rather die than endure life imprisonment, I wouldn't be opposed to that. However, as has been said, I suspect this is the few. If we do continue to execute people, though, I would support measures to replace the present systems with humane ones.

like what methods?

 

[Willtor]

like what methods?

I had a coworker, at one point, who would talk about this kind of thing. One of the methods, IIRC, was nitrogen(?) poisoning. We haven't evolved a response to it in the same way as CO_2, so it's something that will just cause a person to pass out and die. The current methods we use appear to be horrible (admittedly, not as horrible as what came before).

 

[Paulos23]

i am for the death penalty, but it is used to often today. I think it should be used for people that will be a danger to the public no matter how much time in jail they are given. Most serial killers come to mind.

That said, I think we need to spend more money on rehabilitation in jail to offset less DP. Otherwise they will keep coming back and eventually end up on death row.

 

[dogs4thewin]

i am for the death penalty, but it is used to often today. I think it should be used for people that will be a danger to the public no matter how much time in jail they are given. Most serial killers come to mind.

That said, I think we need to spend more money on rehabilitation in jail to offset less DP. Otherwise they will keep coming back and eventually end up on death row.

Well, not if you only put them on death row for killing people.

 

[Nithavela]

like what methods?

 

[Paulos23]

Well, not if you only put them on death row for killing people.

But not every murder will do it again, and the chance goes way down (I think) if they are given more help to not do it again.

 

[dogs4thewin]

But not every murder will do it again, and the chance goes way down (I think) if they are given more help to not do it again.

Oh I thought you meant that they would end up death row after so many trips; even if it was for non-violent crimes.

 

[dogs4thewin]

so beheading people? I wonder how long that will last?

 

[High Fidelity]

It's unnecessary.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's unnecessary.

Do you support life without parole?

 

[High Fidelity]

Do you support life without parole?

For people that are reasonably considered beyond rehabilitation, absolutely.

 

[dogs4thewin]

For people that are reasonably considered beyond rehabilitation, absolutely.

How would that be determined?