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The problem with your analogy is that the story of Mary's Assumption has been told for many centuries (since at least 400 AD) and the Church remembers.
I am sure there are theologians that place importance on it. But the Church does not.
TBH, I haven't actually followed our dear friend and brother, LLOJ's post that were maybe theological. Has he had many? I've seen his posts in agreement with folks, and also his posting of funny cartoons and such. He doesn't seem to be too involved in theology, and maybe that's the point you're trying to make here.
It's more going on faith that the Holy Spirit preserved this truth within the confines of Tradition even if there are some bad traditions mixed in at the time that needed to be weeded out. Kind of like the lack of 'evidence' you have for believing the NT 400 years prior to the Latin Vulgate being written, which I believe is the oldest copy of the NT Scriptures available, hadn't changed. You've no copy to prove it, yet you go by Tradition to have copied it down correctly and passed on from church to church with the aid of the Holy Spirit, even when the heretical books were mixed with it, in different churches.What evidence do you have for that? There were all manner of heretical myths circulating during the early centuries of Christianity.
Even Martin Luther said that she is in Heaven (and he believed in soul sleep for everyone else) -- Lutherans celebrate Mary on Aug 15, the same day as we (Catholics/Orthodox) celebrate her Dormition/Assumption.
So in essence, both body and soul aren't "assumed". Interesting.Sorry, I got to this thread late, but I could not let this go...
You are correct about Mary in Heaven; however you must be taking Luther our of context (or confusing us with Jews and Christadelphians); no "soul sleep"; as with the good thief, when the faithful die, their souls are with the Lord in Heaven; our mortal bodies "sleep" until the resurrection on the last day, when our souls will be reunited with or perfect, immortal bodies!
Mary's Assumption is adiaphpra, and we are free to hold or disregard this "pious opinion". That being said, there is some very early writings which speak of the discovery of Mary's empty tomb.
So in essence, both body and soul aren't "assumed". Interesting.
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Originally Posted by Dorothea
I am too bashful.....Yes, that is part of my point. Although he shows scant interest in theology per se, he has a keen interest in the Bible and has a number of threads on Biblical interpretation and translation.
I should, however, let him speak for himself.
Redundancy is not contrary to bashfulness though. It's just being redundant.
Art thou disappointed?But not too bashful to revive my thread.
Has that always been the view of the RCC? What about the EOC?Alot of Catholics believed She died before being Assumed. Not sure what the problem is here actually. The Dogma reads that at the end of Her earthly life, Mother Mary was Assumed into Heaven.
It doesn't say She was Assumed into Heaven without seeing death.
Alot of Catholics believed She died before being Assumed. Not sure what the problem is here actually. The Dogma reads that at the end of Her earthly life, Mother Mary was Assumed into Heaven. It doesn't say She was Assumed into Heaven without seeing death.
That is my understanding of it too.
If she, indeed, died, do you know how long her body was dead before it was revived and taken to heaven?
Does this really matter?
Moses was buried some time before his body was "moved".
no, it doesn't really matter. But that's the fun about redundancy, you get to spin your wheels cause you want to.
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