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The Assumption is part of the Gospel.
We just don't have a minimalistic view of the Faith.
As many times as I have read the NT I have completely missed where the Assumption is in there.
What Book, Chapter and verse so I can look it up.
Thanks
I was looking for Jesus and found Mary and The Pope...
What are all these complex Vatican teachings?
I think its easier to just continue to be an atheist.
As many times as I have read the NT I have completely missed where the Assumption is in there.
What Book, Chapter and verse so I can look it up.
Thanks
I would suggest to you that is not an assumption.
Scripture clearly and plainly tells us that.
Ultimately everything ends in an assumption of some sort. In order for us to accept the testimony of the scriptures we first must assume that the Bible is true, but before we do that we must assume God exists. Albeit we may call it faith, but the point still stands.
The Assumption is part of the Gospel.
We just don't have a minimalistic view of the Faith.
To me, Mary's death/resurrection is an even further display from God of the beauty of eternal life and the resurrection, and ties into the gospel. Every time a person experiences a change for the better in their life because of Jesus, their life story becomes part of the gospel.Yikes. Not according to Peter, Paul, and Mary.
1 Peter 3:8 Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
v17 For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin first among God's own children. And if even we Christians must be judged, what terrible fate awaits those who have never believed God's Good News?
differant posters are doing differant definitions of "Gospel"Yikes. Not according to Peter, Paul, and Mary.
1 Peter 3:8 Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
v17 For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin first among God's own children. And if even we Christians must be judged, what terrible fate awaits those who have never believed God's Good News?
Hard to argue wit datdifferant posters are doing differant definitions of "Gospel"
you Protestants are confusing
To me, Mary's death/resurrection is an even further display from God of the beauty of eternal life and the resurrection, and ties into the gospel. Every time a person experiences a change for the better in their life because of Jesus, their life story becomes part of the gospel.
If you mean that the Four Marian Dogmas have been promulgated by popes, that is not a true statement. As I said the first Marian dogma (Ever-Virgin) has never been formally defined, yet is considered dogmatic. The second Marian dogma (Theotokos) was defined, not by a pope, but by the Council of Ephesus in 431. Only the last two (Immaculate Conception and Assumption) were defined by popes.
I did not intend to imply that popes invented or promulgated these dogmas, but that they have defined them. However, as you have clarified for me, even that is not entirely correct. Thank you. In regard to the Assumption we are in agreement that it was defined by a pope.
I don't think anyone has claimed that the only dogmatic statements in the Catholic Church are the four regarding Mary, I think you misunderstood whatever the person was saying. There are a great many more dogmatic teachings.
Dogmas in the Catholic Church can be confusing, even to many Catholics. For example, Papal Bulls were considered to be dogmatic in the past, but are not considered to be so at present. Some perceive a difference between doctrine and dogma whereas others do not. For a non-Catholic such as myself it can be quite confusing.
Dr. Ludwig Ott, author of Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, a recognized standard reference work, has come up with 252 (if I counted right) de Fide statements. Dogmas of the Catholic Church, the vast majority of which I'm sure you would agree with. But there is no definitive list.
Yes, I understand Dr. Ott's worthy attempt at defniing Catholic dogma. His problem, as well, as ours is that, indeed, there is no definitive list.
"Catechism of the Catholic Church" is the name of one book. So your statement would be better as "various Catholic Catechisms".
Quite true, although that distinction would probably be lost to most members here at CF.
Some things in the CCC are dogmatic, some things are not. It depends on the teaching in question.
Agreed.
Well, yes, I know because the Church teaches it and I trust the Church because it has shown evidence of its Divine origin and protection. So I have a greater certainty in it than I think an Orthodox, Anglican or Lutheran who also believes in the Assumption would have. But I think that because it is so widely believed, even beyond the Catholic Church, it is a strong statement to deny it, even for a non-Catholic Christian to do.
The point was the question: If death is the punishment for sin does that mean that everyone who dies is guilty of sin?
If it does, then Christ is guilty of sin. That would be blasphemy. Therefore, your syllogism is false.
differant posters are doing differant definitions of "Gospel"
you Protestants are confusing
Where is "Mary's death/resurrection" displayed?
Not in the Bible.
Only in departures from scripture in your "churches" traditions.
So? Your 'bible' doesn't acknowledge Ptolemy's existence but I'm pretty sure he was a real personWhere is "Mary's death/resurrection" displayed?
Not in the Bible.
Only in departures from scripture in your "churches" traditions.
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