Are you saying that Sunday observance did not occur until after 336 AD?
So that is a direct contradiction of each other? Paul says don't argue then he says argue - is that what you're showing me?
Romans 14:3 let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth. For God has received him. The same principle applies to "certain" differences in beliefs or opinions - and please take note I said certain.
One can argued back and forth without a resolution about what some scriptures mean - that is why there are so many denominations and denominations within denominations in Christianity. Argue the cultural practices - what the translators felt the true meaning is - whether they actually translated according to their views on time or the views of the original people and practices of their times.
In my opinion which can't be proven or disproven - the books of Matthew, Mark, and possibly John was not written by any of the Apostles and the Book of Luke was written by a friend of Paul's. They well written by people who knew the stories. Paul's writing are the only authentic and proven books in the New Testament. So what is the point of debating who's right and who's wrong - especially when it comes to opinions that will not change or hinder whether one is redeemed or not. State what you feel and leave it at that. But people won't do that they have to tell you you're wrong and I'm right. Thank you -nothing else to say on this subject.
It's recorded history, saying what it says.
Sunday observance took place well before Constantine, gave the Roman world a day off on Sunday.It's recorded history, saying what it says.
You don't have to argue to show someone the truth in the Bible. Reprove means to correct, Definition of reprove transitive verb 1: to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent.
Now Rebuke is: an expression of strong disapproval. This is what Paul is saying to do. Go back and reread that verse with these definition in mind.
Sunday observance took place well before Constantine, gave the Roman world a day off on Sunday.
That is not what he asked you. You are not answering his question like you did not answer mine regarding Daniel...
Reprove and rebuke are two separate English words; their meaning is intended by the translators to be the English equivalents. How do you know the meaning of the words of Biblical texts?
Reprove appears 35 times in the KJV but only once in the NIV.
Rebuke appears 77 times in the KJV, 100 times in the NIV.
So which translation are you using to try to prove your point?
There was not a day off during the week in the Roman world, before Constantine issued that decree. So up until 321 AD, there was never a day of rest for slaves or the working class. They all worked a seven day week.I can believe that.
Mind your own conversation bro! Don't start childish behavior here! When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (1 Corinthians 13:11).
It is very difficult to read through a hundred posts.So I apologize if this was answered somewhere, but I can't look through all 30+ pages of this thread to be sure; I did look through the first few and the latest few and didn't see it, so I'll ask it. This was something I was wondering about anyway, and this thread seems a good opportunity to ask.
That is correct.The Bible makes it extremely clear that the Crucifixion occurred before a Sabbath.
The correct term is the, 'preparation day', that is the correct name of the day before the Sabbath.This would naturally suggest Friday.
Other translations use the same language.The claim that it occurred earlier than that means an explanation for the Sabbath not being on Saturday is required, and the explanation made is that the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread counted as an annual Sabbath (the term "High Sabbath" is sometimes used but as far as I can tell that term comes entirely from the KJV's description of the sabbath as "a high day" in John 19:31).
There is no reference in the O.T to the first day of U.B being a Sabbath.If the Sabbath following the crucifixion was this annual Sabbath, with the weekly Sabbath occurring later, then one can proceed with the possibility of a crucifixion before Friday.
I agree, there is no occurrence of the 1st day of U.B being called a Sabbath. Nor a preparation day (Friday) before it.What I have never seen anyone who makes this assertion do is provide evidence that the first day of unleavened bread was called a Sabbath by those in the NT period.
I have never seen any reference to that.It seems to be simply assumed. If this was the case, and it was regarded as an annual Sabbath, then surely there would be records of such. We'd have Jewish writings that mention it as such. Can any examples of be cited from any old Jewish or Christian writing in which the first day of the festival of unleavened bread was explicitly referred to as a Sabbath?
The five day death and resurrection account is based on one line in John.I mean, there could be examples. It's just that I've never seen anyone provide them despite how important this is to the case against a Friday crucifixion. Can anyone provide any examples of the first day of unleavened bread being referred to as a Sabbath?
I will comment on whatever I feel I want to. You are the only one being childish by not answering questions posed to you...adults don't do that, children do...or adults that say they know but in reality do not know when questioned I guess.
Get your mind right bro! You don't believe in the scriptures Daniel wrote concerning the Messiah, I post. Even though it's clear and every thing Daniel said concerning the Messiah happen when Jesus came. It's only one Messiah bro! I accept the fact that you don't believe, so there's nothing else. This is where I get off the train with you bro. I believe all you doing now is looking for fault, or deep down inside you know I'm right. Either way you not handle yourself as a mature adult, and most people would have move by now.
Ah, forgive me, I assumed the above fiction was your own handiwork but now I find that you have merely copy/pasted without linking back to the original fiction written by Jan Marcussen.In the Council of Trent (1545 A.D.), the church leaders ruled that "tradition" is of as great authority as the Bible! They believed that God had given them the authority to change the Bible any way they pleased. By "tradition" they meant human teachings.
The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient Babylon. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things. Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.
It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.
The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.
There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!
When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, Constantine consulted with his aides and with the church officials in Rome.
"What shall we do? How can we unite and stabilize the government?"
The counsel of the church leaders was timely.
"Pass a Sunday law. Force everyone to cease work and honor Sunday."
That was it! It would satisfy the sun-worshiping pagans, and unite pagans, Christians, and the Roman empire as never before.
The year is 321 A.D. Constantine, yielding to the suggestion of church leaders passes the first Sunday law! Here it is, straight out of the record:
"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib. 3, tit. 12, Lex. 3.
The Christians who would not compromise and dishonor God found themselves in a dilemma. Satan had worked things around so that you were forced to honor the pagan "day of the sun" or pay the penalty. Even after the Emperor's Sunday law, many Christians continued to honor and keep holy the seventh-day Sabbath that their Saviour had kept. God knew what was going on and had predicted that the man of sin would "think to change times and laws." Satan was about to pull off a world-wide hoax.
Bibles were forbidden by the priests. As the years went by, the new generations (without Bibles) would forget all about the Sabbath of the Lord.
As I said previously, the Roman empire worked seven days a week up until Constantine.In the Council of Trent (1545 A.D.), the church leaders ruled that "tradition" is of as great authority as the Bible! They believed that God had given them the authority to change the Bible any way they pleased. By "tradition" they meant human teachings.
The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient Babylon. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things. Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.
It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.
The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.
There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!
When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, Constantine consulted with his aides and with the church officials in Rome.
"What shall we do? How can we unite and stabilize the government?"
The counsel of the church leaders was timely.
"Pass a Sunday law. Force everyone to cease work and honor Sunday."
That was it! It would satisfy the sun-worshiping pagans, and unite pagans, Christians, and the Roman empire as never before.
The year is 321 A.D. Constantine, yielding to the suggestion of church leaders passes the first Sunday law! Here it is, straight out of the record:
"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib. 3, tit. 12, Lex. 3.
The Christians who would not compromise and dishonor God found themselves in a dilemma. Satan had worked things around so that you were forced to honor the pagan "day of the sun" or pay the penalty. Even after the Emperor's Sunday law, many Christians continued to honor and keep holy the seventh-day Sabbath that their Saviour had kept. God knew what was going on and had predicted that the man of sin would "think to change times and laws." Satan was about to pull off a world-wide hoax.
Bibles were forbidden by the priests. As the years went by, the new generations (without Bibles) would forget all about the Sabbath of the Lord.
To be more specific: Christianity became the state religion in 380 in the Edict of Thessalonica. This was 43 years after Constantine's death in 337.Constantine did not make Christianity a state religion.
I believe what Daniel said, just not you...bro. I asked you SPECIFICALLY WHERE did Daniel say 3 days and 3 nights as YOU said he did...I get nothing from you but your say nothing posts...
As I said previously, the Roman empire worked seven days a week up until Constantine.
The nation of Israel had the Sabbath day of rest and that was unchanged, even with Roman occupation.
Constantine did not make Christianity a state religion.
Tertullian made the remark below concerning Sabbath observance.
Tertullian: Part I: Of Blasphemy.
The Holy Spirit upbraids the Jews with their holy days. “Your Sabbaths, and new moons, and ceremonies,” says He, “My soul hateth.” By us, to whom Sabbaths are strange.
Tertullian (160-220 AD) is not aware of Sabbath observance among the churches.
If there is ample evidence then you should have no problem providing some. So please go ahead. Show us the evidence that the Roman pagans gathered every Sunday to worship the Sun.Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?