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It gives alternate views of Christianity, but overall supports it. It tells what OTHERS believe but never states whether it is truth or not. It shows things that are against traditional doctrine, and will make you think. The thing is, what it said to me, didn't make a difference because I don't believe that Christ's sacrifice would have meant anything less were these things true.
 
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triangle said:
has anyone read the davinchi code, so many people have told me how great the book is but others have told me that it condems christianity with some of the authers theories of history and events.
im going to read the book eventualy, i dont think it will change my thinking atall.

i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this book?

It is well written fiction that has sparked many issues. But, it is just that- fiction. People are taking it to be fact. It says that Christ was married to Mary Magdalene and that there is a Knights Templar that has affected events throughout history to hide the "fact" that Christ was married. It's a devious book because it uses so many things that could be construed as being factual, despite the complete fabrication and conjecture that is contained with in the book.

It is not something I would tell you not to read, because I think we need to know what the book contains so we can debunk it when a Lost person asks us about it. We need to know what is in it so we know what Truths from Scripture that we should show them to refute it. A guy in my squadron read it and actually hunted down some of the places that were talked about in the book when we deployed to England. It planted a seed to learn more about the Bible. In this way, the book did some good, although he has started from a basis of heretical fiction rather than the Gospel.
 
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There was a two hour documentary about this and they interviewed the guy that wrote it. He explained why he wrote what he did and all of his information comes from what he THINKS is the truth. There's not one single piece of evidence anywhere to support this garbage. In fact, there's much more to contradict it.

To give you an idea...one of his beliefs is that Jesus was married. This is believed simply because the Bible never says "Jesus was never married." Hello..!? What kind of reasoning is that..?

Maybe my real name is Gluperstein Picklehammer because my driver's license doesn't say it's not...


Tim L.
 
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im not about to say christ was married to mary, but im curious to know what would be wrong with that? (again, i aint saying i believe it, just trying for answers) Obviously if He was married, he would have consumated his marriage. He is pure after all. But is sexual relations within the boundries of marriage a sin? Im pretty sure its not. So in that case, wouldnt he still be sinless? The immediate outrage over the mention of the idea is obviously a result of old feelings against sex within the religious mind.
 
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The book claims to be giving factual history in a fictional setting. That is the problem. Most of the "history" is false and intentionally anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular..

As one example, the book says (in the words of supposedly distinguished historian, Sir leigh Teabing)...

The bible is a product of man, my dear, not God...
More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion.... The fundamental irony of Christianity! The bible as we know it today was collated by the Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine the Great.


According to the book Constantine was.. a lifelong pagan who was baptised on his deathbed, too weak to resist.

There then follows a long re-hashing of the exploded Hislop "Two Babylons" rubbish about how Constantine mixed pagan religion with Christianity. Mary and Jesus are Isis and Horus. Jesus Christ was mixed with the pagan sun god and Krisna. Sunday comes from Sun worship.

Then comes this passage: "Right," Teabing said. "Jesus' establishment as 'the Somn of God' was officially proposed and voted on by the Council of Nicea.'

'Hold on. You're saying Jesus's divinity was the result of a vote?'

'A relatively close vote at that,' Teabing added. ' establishing Christ's divinity was critical to the further unification of the Roman Empire and to the Vatican's power base... now the followers of Christ were able to redeem themselves only via the established sacred channel - the Roman Catholic Church... It was all about power...

Because Constantine upgraded Jesus' status almost four centuries after his death, thousands of documents already existed chronicling His life as a mortal man... Constantine commissioned and financed a new bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits, and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned.'


The passage then goes on to state that those who opposed Constantine were labelled heretics. "Teabing" alleges that the Dead Sea scrolls contain proof of this, but "Of course the Vatican, in keeping with their tradition of misinformation, tried very hard to suppress the release of these scrolls. And why wouldn't they? The scrolls highlight glaring historical discrepancies and fabrications, clearly confirming that the modern bible was compiled and edited by men who possessed a political agenda -"

The quotations above are taken from just 4 pages in the 500 page book. The theories are presented as FACTS by characters who are presented to the reader as authoritative, learned and as having thoroughly researched the matters concerned. Real names and places are thrown in to add further veracity to the lies and falsehoods that Brown presents here.

It is amazing to find so many falsehoods pressed into so small a space. An attempt to list hem:

1. The early church DID NOT see Jesus as just a mortal man.

2. Constantine was not baptised when "too weak to resist".

3. Constantine DID NOT take "pure" Christianity and graft in pagan religion, mixing Jesus and the Sun God.

4. The Council of Nicea did NOT hold a vote on Jesus being Divine or mortal.

5. Constantine did NOT decide the contents of the bible.

6. The early church was NOT composed of venial men seeking power at all costs, and willing to lie and decieve to obtain it.

7. The "omitted gospels" do NOT describe a mortal "good man" Jesus, but are mostly obvious forgeries.

8. The Dead Sea Scrolls do NOT confirm any of Brown's theories, or "higlight glaring historical descrepancies and fabrications" in the gospels.

9. Sunday is the Christian day of worship because of the ressurrection - NOT in onour of the Sun God.
 
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triangle said:
has anyone read the davinchi code, so many people have told me how great the book is but others have told me that it condems christianity with some of the authers theories of history and events.
im going to read the book eventualy, i dont think it will change my thinking atall.

i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this book?

It was a good book with some interesting conjecture, but a very good book for its' genre.
 
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ChristianDude777 said:
There was a two hour documentary about this and they interviewed the guy that wrote it. He explained why he wrote what he did and all of his information comes from what he THINKS is the truth. There's not one single piece of evidence anywhere to support this garbage. In fact, there's much more to contradict it.

To give you an idea...one of his beliefs is that Jesus was married. This is believed simply because the Bible never says "Jesus was never married." Hello..!? What kind of reasoning is that..?

Maybe my real name is Gluperstein Picklehammer because my driver's license doesn't say it's not...


Tim L.

Are you possibly entertaining the idea that something that is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible could possibly be true? (I, personally don't have a problem with this... but for some reason, it baffles me in this case... :sorry: )

God Bless
 
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Hi all

I read it and I did not really care for it, Probably because I am mostly a conservative Christian and the book exalts gnosticism,

As has been said it is a work if fiction but it seems to have taken on a life of its own,

I think part of this is because many peopel would like to believe that Jesus was just another man and that the bible we have is mostly myth and and fairy tales to hide the fact that Jesus was just another great human teacher,

yours in Christ
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Actually, Brown's reasoning for Jesus being married was because all Jewish men got married then. I saw the documentry as well. Brown is convinced of what he wrote to be the truth. This is all based on Davinci's painting of the Last Supper. Davinci was not even around to know who sat where for the Supper, let alone that Mary was sitting next to Jesus indicating that they were married.

It is a rather ridiculous argument presented by Brown, but the book is a good read. I do highly suggest that Christians read it, for it does present witnessing opportunities for those who are not Christians and have read it. The movie comes out in 2006, where Tom Hanks will play the lead role.

If Jesus was married - that is a strong if - wouldn't change a thing about what He did. He is God. He did die for our sins and He did raise from the dead. Marriage would not change this.
 
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StPaul said:
Are you possibly entertaining the idea that something that is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible could possibly be true? (I, personally don't have a problem with this... but for some reason, it baffles me in this case... :sorry: )

God Bless

Hi,

I realize that many things are not mentioned in Scriptures. That's not what I said at all. However to make such an assumption about Jesus and base a whole belief such as this DiVicnci stuff on it is way beyond ridiculous.

Why? Because that assumption is simply too far fetched. As much as is written about Jesus, we'd have known about it if He were married for one thing. None of the four Gospels so much as hint of it. We even know that Peter was married.

Also, Jesus came here for very specific reasons. He Himself said that He came to serve and not to be served. He also said He does what He sees the Father do. Again He said He came down from Heaven not to do His will but the will if Him that sent Him. Marriage simply wasn't part of Jesus' purpose and for anyone to think otherwise shows that they don't know what His life and purpose were all about.

Tim L.
 
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deu58 said:
Hi all

I read it and I did not really care for it, Probably because I am mostly a conservative Christian and the book exalts gnosticism,

As has been said it is a work if fiction but it seems to have taken on a life of its own,
deu 58

Hi,

The author has been quotes a few times saying things like "This book might be fiction but it's all based on truth..etc," I'm convinced the guy believes it.

He also believes that because there's a V shape between Jesus and the next person on His left in the Last Supper painting that this means the person is a woman and is actually Jesus' wife.

He believes Mary Magdalin (sp?) traveled in a boat to some island with her teenage daughter who was Jesus chld. This again is ridiculous because of Jesus' very nature. Sinless blood....There'd be a race of sinless people running around. And think about it...if Jesus had had a child, don't you think satan would devote his time to pursuing that child and the continuation of the bloodline.? He'd have been all over it.

This book is right there with the last temptation of Christ. Garbage...

God bless..

Tim L.
 
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Hi Catholic dude.

I agree that he believes it, He is witnessing his belief in the form of a novel, I find it interesting that Peter is prtrayed more like a pharisee than an apostle in that he turns every body against Mary Magdelene who was supposed to be the true leader of the church after the crucifixion,

It would all be laughable if so many people were not taking it seriously.

yours in Christ
deu 58
 
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