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So, are you familiar with the Synaxarion? And do you have a link?
Then I quoted a few sources from Alexandria that said Passover is on the 14th, the date of Jesus' death.
Well, think of it differently, why would those in Jerusalem do things differently that what they did with Jesus Christ?
Besides, it says that they did adopt the Roman (catholic) usage.
PS. Wanted to add that still your OP has no source for the claim that Jesus died on the 13th. NO scripture. NO early church father. NO Council. NO Tradition. So, brother Ortho, let's not talk of my so-called assumptions when I have shown numerous quotes from numerous sources all saying that Jesus died on the 14th.
I was confused by the wording...I fail to see the problem. The women came to the tomb very early Sunday morning around dawn. Christ rose during the night.
We announce the Resurrection in our Church at midnight.
I was confused by the wording...
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath,
whichever sabbath, it hadn't ended, this scene is IN the end.
as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week,
"began to dawn toward" is extremely problematic for me. The end & beginning of a day is at sunset instead of midnight, so how could it EVER "dawn" toward a day? It would have to "dusk toward a day", no?
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
It sounds like they show up at or near the begining (dusk) of a new day, but the use of the word "dawn" is causing me to disconnect & go blank.
Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible
the conclusion of the appendix
I challenge you both (or whomever) to look at the appendix and see if there is anything that you disagree with...
it seems to me that you both are incorrect about the date, as far as the day of the week goes...
St. James taught from Jerusalem for 30 years.
What did he teach?
Forgive me...
Certainly.
A link to an online synaxarion? ...or the Synaxarion that we use at the chanters stand?
I have always liked OCA - The Lives of the Saints
Forgive me...
Thanks. The reason is that a Fr (friar?) confirmed that the document says Christ died on the 14th.
He would have taught that Jesus Christ was handed over and crucified on the 14th. Buried on the 15th. And rose out from the dead on the third day 16th.
He would have taught??? Thats conjecture.
I asked what he taught.
Forgive me...
Which document? The Synaxarion is a collection of the lives of the Saints.
Forgive me...
The date of Pascha in the Early Church
The early Church in the East continued to observe Pascha on the eve of the 14 th of Nisan, according the Jewish Calendar, with the Resurrection on the third day, that is on the 15th. That meant that the Resurrection could fall on any day of the week. In Rome and Alexandria, however, the early Christians always kept the Resurrection on a Sunday.
Gotta love it brother (ignoring the supposed 15th as resurrection and Alexandria cite for the moment)
PS. I do thank you for posting the link.
Alexandria is a church of the east. What you mean is the churches of asia minor who were of the heritage of John the evangelist observed pascha on the actual date regardless if it was a sunday. The churches of Asia Minor are those identified in Revelation and would have included Byzantium as well.
Antioch was a major city in Syria, Turkey was not existing at the time, but the western two thirds of modern day Turkey would have been known as (and still is) as Anatolia. Antioch before the 15th century was syrian.
All of the churches of the east outside of Asia Minor still observed Pascha on sunday, this included the major churches of Palestine, Antioch, Alexandria, Cyprus, Greece & other areas of Anatolia..
There is actually no conflict between saying Christ died on the thirteenth or the fourteenth. The early Fathers would use the julian calendar and its keeping of time interchangeably with the hebrew usage of the start of a new day at sundown.
Thus Christ was crucified on Friday the 13th, julian or gregorian understanding. This is precisely why friday the 13th is viewed as a bad omen, it stems from this dark day in human history. Of course at sunset is the start of the sabbath and would be considered the 14th(friday evening).
Thus Nisan 14 in the year our Lord was crucified would be on April 13th, sunset would have been Nisan 15 (april 14) and the ressurection on Nissan 16 (april 15).
Now if you really want food for thought according to the Royal Greenwhich Observatory if Christ was crucified in 32 a.d. that friday would have been an April the 12th.
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