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The Date of Pascha

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From http://www.antiochian.org/date-of-pascha.html

The Date of Pascha

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In brief

Our observance of the Resurrection is related to the “Passover of the Jews”† in a historical and theological way, but our calculation does not depend on when the modern-day Jews celebrate. The reason why Orthodox and Western Christians celebrate at different times is because we still go by the old Julian calendar in calculating the date of Pascha, even though we go by the new calendar for all the fixed feasts (like Christmas and so on). Protestants and Roman Catholics use the Gregorian Calendar for everything.

Pascha in the Old and New Testaments

The Old Testament specifies that the Passover/Pascha is to be observed on the 14 th day of the first month (alternately known as Abib or Nisan; see Deuteronomy 16.1-7). Being a fixed day on the old Hebrew calendar, it could fall on any day of the week.
According to the Gospel of John, Pascha just happened to fall on a Saturday† the year that Jesus was crucified. It is important to note that Christ died on the Cross at the very hour the paschal lambs were being slaughtered for the Feast; thus Christ is our Pascha, our Passover Lamb, sacrificed for us. Strictly speaking, then, we must distinguish between the Feast of Pascha (on Holy Friday) and the Feast of the Resurrection (on Sunday); the two are inseparable though distinct.

The date of Pascha in the Early Church

The early Church in the East continued to observe Pascha on the eve of the 14 th of Nisan, according the Jewish Calendar, with the Resurrection on the third day, that is on the 15 th. That meant that the Resurrection could fall on any day of the week. In Rome and Alexandria, however, the early Christians always kept the Resurrection on a Sunday.

A Problem Situation

In the second century, St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna in Asia Minor, journeyed to Rome to confer with Pope Anicetus regarding the disagreement over the proper date for the celebration of Pascha. Neither was able to convince the other, and they decided that the two practices could coëxist.
The situation was actually messier yet. There existed in practice, because of the way the Hebrew calendar worked, not two but a multitude of dates for the celebration Pascha. Jews and others in the ancient Near East followed a lunar calendar in which each month averaged 29½ days in length. They had twelve months in most years, each month beginning with a new moon. This made the year too short, so an extra, thirteenth month was inserted every two or three years to keep the months in step with the seasons (which depend on the sun rather than the moon).
There were no printed calendars at that time, and no one ever knew exactly how many days there would be in a given month or year. The beginning of a new month was declared when the first sliver of a new moon was sighted in the sky. Of course, observation of the new moon depended on location and weather conditions, thus people in different places often did not start a new month at the same time. Since Pascha was observed on the 14 th of the month†—and that depended on local sighting of the new moon—there was no way for Christians (or Jews, for that matter) to plan a united observance of Pascha.
In the fourth century the Emperor Constantine espoused Christianity and made it not only legal but the favored religion of the Empire. The Church suddenly started growing by leaps and bounds, and he gave public buildings for the Church’s use, but he was perturbed to find out about the different practices regarding the date of Pascha.

The council of Nicæa

Constantine convened the First Ecumenical Council in the city of Nicæa in 325 to unify the date of the observance throughout the newly Christian Empire.† Unanimously, the bishops gathered at the Council decided to keep the feast on a Sunday. They wanted to retain the symbolism of the Resurrection falling on the day which is both the first day of the week and the eighth day, the Day of the Lord. They agreed that the most important thing was for the Church to demonstrate her unity by celebrating together, whenever she chose to celebrate, without regard to the Jews’ plans. The bishops saw the Christian observance of the Pascha of the Lord on Holy Friday as connected to and in continuity with the Passover of the Old Testament, and they understood that the Resurrection, by definition, follows the Passover. After all, the Church saw herself as the true heir of the Old Testament. She was comprised of both Jews and gentiles, all those who responded to the God of the Old Testament when He came in the flesh.
Following the Council, Constantine sent a letter to all the bishops who were absent to report to them the decisions of the council. The following excerpt of that letter explains some crucial points:
When the question relative to the sacred festival of Pascha arose, it was universally thought that all should keep the feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of immortality, celebrated by all with one accord and in the same manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the holiest of festivals, to follow the calculation of the Jews….

The Nicene Formula

The fathers gathered at the First Ecumenical Council decided that the Hebrew calendar had to go. They had to be able to plan ahead and not have to depend on when the local Jewish Rabbi would spot the new moon. They adopted, therefore, a solar calendar based upon the best scientific and astronomical data of the time. In fact they adopted the civil calendar of the Roman Empire which had been promulgated under Julius Cæsar (hence the name Julian Calendar), as refined under Augustus Cæsar.


The Council decreed that the Resurrection would be observed on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox (March 21).† Furthermore, since the best scientific observatories were located in Alexandria at that time, the Council assigned the bishop of Alexandria the responsibility of sending out a letter to all the Church, year by year, announcing in advance when the Resurrection would be celebrated that year. This way, the whole of Christendom was sure to celebrate together a glorious Pascha/Resurrection.


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The date of Pascha in the Early Church

The early Church in the East continued to observe Pascha on the eve of the 14 th of Nisan, according the Jewish Calendar, with the Resurrection on the third day, that is on the 15th. That meant that the Resurrection could fall on any day of the week. In Rome and Alexandria, however, the early Christians always kept the Resurrection on a Sunday.

Gotta love it brother (ignoring the supposed 15th as resurrection and Alexandria cite for the moment)

PS. I do thank you for posting the link.
 
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The date of Pascha in the Early Church

The early Church in the East continued to observe Pascha on the eve of the 14 th of Nisan, according the Jewish Calendar, with the Resurrection on the third day, that is on the 15th. That meant that the Resurrection could fall on any day of the week. In Rome and Alexandria, however, the early Christians always kept the Resurrection on a Sunday.

Gotta love it brother (ignoring the supposed 15th as resurrection and Alexandria cite for the moment)

PS. I do thank you for posting the link.

Interesting that Antioch and Alexandria were both taught the same thing at the same time from the same source.

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Strictly speaking, then, we must distinguish between the Feast of Pascha (on Holy Friday) and the Feast of the Resurrection (on Sunday); the two are inseparable though distinct.

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†[/url] the year that Jesus was crucified. It is important to note that Christ died on the Cross at the very hour the paschal lambs were being slaughtered for the Feast; thus Christ is our Pascha, our Passover Lamb, sacrificed for us. Strictly speaking, then, we must distinguish between the Feast of Pascha (on Holy Friday) and the Feast of the Resurrection (on Sunday); the two are inseparable though distinct.

There was no reason to copy all of your long and tourtured, misleading post.

Here are the facts:

If Christ rose on the first day of the week then He was either a liar or just plain wrong.
Either way He is not who He said He was. If He was buried in the evening, and He was,
He had to be raised in the evening 72 hours later. This is not difficult. Just read it in your
own Bible and believe it.
You can't just put God’s word aside!

The two Sabbaths are explained. The annual Sabbath, "The First Day of Unleavened Bread”
[Jo.19:31] and the weekly Sabbath that happened that week. Passover was Wednesday,
Thursday was “The First Day of Unleavened Bread,” Friday was the day that the women boughtand prepared the spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath--Saturday.
Believe the Bible rather than men.

The day before ANY Sabbath, whether weekly or annual is a preparation day.
The Passover is always a preparation day because the next day is always
"The First Day of Unleavened Bread" (Which is the 1st Annual Sabbath of the year)
Lev. 23:5-8.
Remember the women went out and bought spices and prepared them
after one Sabbath ended (Mk.16:1) remember that Sabbath was a “High Day” (Jo.19:31) and then they rested on the next Sabbath? (Lk.23:56) this was the weekly Sabbath.
April 25th 31AD, the day of the crucifixion was on Wednesday, which was Passover that year "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" was Thursday: Friday was between "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" and the weekly Sabbath. Don't forget also that if Jesus was only 36 hrs. In the grave then His prophecy was wrong. He staked His messiahship on the fact that He would be in the grave 3 days AND 3 nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish. He said that would be the ONLY sign He would give an evil and adulterous world (Mat. 12:38.)
Don't be part of that evil and adulterous world that will not believe Him.
 
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Interesting that Antioch and Alexandria were both taught the same thing at the same time from the same source.

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Umm, Antioch was in now what is modern day Turkey and Alexandria was in Egypt, no? Wasn't Antioch considered in Asia Minor?

Alexandria taught that the 14th was Friday. (Amongst other quotes:
. Good Friday, called by Tertullian "Pascha", was a day of strict fasting which continued through Holy Saturday. Even though Good Friday was a preparation for the feast of Easter, it was the most solemn vigil during the year, and the one on which all vigils were modelled."
African Rite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Your article of Antioch teaches that Friday was the 13th. And Pascha the 14th Saturday.

RCC teaches that the Friday was the 15th (see Newadvent.org).
 
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The article doesn't say why the Julian calendar was kept for Pascha when the Gregorian was adopted for the others.

When they decided to adopt the one custom, they chose Alexandria to make the calculation (as the article says). Alexandria, however, incorrectly identified the spring equinox by a day or two AND didn't understand that the equinox "moves" over time (as the article says).

EO is much more "identified" with the Councils than RC, though both believe that God instructed or worked through the men at the Councils. So, RC was "able" to admit the mistake and update the calendar, while EO has not (yet).
 
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The Churches of 'Asia Minor' were The Churches of St. John... located on the west coast of 'Asia Minor'.

Generally they are known as the 'seven churches of Asia' listed in Revelation.

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Different Antioch. Antioch was part of the Syrian Church.

The Churches of 'Asia Minor' were The Churches of St. John... located on the west coast of 'Asia Minor'.

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My mistake.

Strictly speaking, however, and especially from the point of view of Biblical and classical geography, which is the one followed in this article, Syria proper composes only that portion of the above-mentioned territories that is bounded on the north and north-west by the Taurus and Asia Minor, on the south by Palestine, on the east by the Euphrates, the Syro-Arabian desert and Mesopotamia, and on the west by the Mediterranean.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Syria

So, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, Jerusalem were the main geographic centers at the very beginning, right?

Here's what's being presented then about the singular year of our Lord's death, burial, and resurrection:

Antioch--death on Friday the 13th, passover itself the 14th Saturday.

Alexandria--death on Friday the 14th passover (pascha)

Rome--death on Friday the 15th (the 15th is passover)

Jerusalem--passover the 14th
 
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Alexandria taught that the 14th was Friday. (Amongst other quotes:
. Good Friday, called by Tertullian "Pascha", was a day of strict fasting which continued through Holy Saturday. Even though Good Friday was a preparation for the feast of Easter, it was the most solemn vigil during the year, and the one on which all vigils were modelled."
African Rite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Your article of Antioch teaches that Friday was the 13th. And Pascha the 14th Saturday.

RCC teaches that the Friday was the 15th (see Newadvent.org).

I don't think Antioch and Alexandria disagree about the days. I don't see from your wiki quote that Alexandria taught that the 14th was Friday... only that the feast of Pascha was held on Friday. That is not a contradiction.

The "feast of Pascha" (Passover) is on the 'eve' of the 14th.

The "feast of the Resurrection" is on the Sunday that follows.

Forgive me...
 
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The floor is now open for discussion.

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It's been a while since I've read some of this but didn't one of the Church fathers write about the Jews observing two Passovers in the same year? Maybe St. John Chrysostom or Justin Martyr?
 
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There was no reason to copy all of your long and tourtured, misleading post.

Here are the facts:

If Christ rose on the first day of the week then He was either a liar or just plain wrong.
Either way He is not who He said He was. If He was buried in the evening, and He was,
He had to be raised in the evening 72 hours later. This is not difficult. Just read it in your
own Bible and believe it.
You can't just put God’s word aside!

The two Sabbaths are explained. The annual Sabbath, "The First Day of Unleavened Bread”
[Jo.19:31] and the weekly Sabbath that happened that week. Passover was Wednesday,
Thursday was “The First Day of Unleavened Bread,” Friday was the day that the women boughtand prepared the spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath--Saturday.
Believe the Bible rather than men.

The day before ANY Sabbath, whether weekly or annual is a preparation day.
The Passover is always a preparation day because the next day is always
"The First Day of Unleavened Bread" (Which is the 1st Annual Sabbath of the year)
Lev. 23:5-8.
Remember the women went out and bought spices and prepared them
after one Sabbath ended (Mk.16:1) remember that Sabbath was a “High Day” (Jo.19:31) and then they rested on the next Sabbath? (Lk.23:56) this was the weekly Sabbath.
April 25th 31AD, the day of the crucifixion was on Wednesday, which was Passover that year "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" was Thursday: Friday was between "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" and the weekly Sabbath. Don't forget also that if Jesus was only 36 hrs. In the grave then His prophecy was wrong. He staked His messiahship on the fact that He would be in the grave 3 days AND 3 nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish. He said that would be the ONLY sign He would give an evil and adulterous world (Mat. 12:38.)
Don't be part of that evil and adulterous world that will not believe Him.

spot on! :thumbsup:
 
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It's been a while since I've read some of this but didn't one of the Church fathers write about the Jews observing two Passovers in the same year? Maybe St. John Chrysostom or Justin Martyr?

Believe it is in the Nicene letter from Constantine. It refers either to the one on the 14th Nisan and the one 30 days later on the 14th of the second month OR it refers to marking a year change by the spring equinox such that for example, two Passovers were observed within that defined year.

If it refers to the former custom, then it refers to something that is scripture (see Exodus) and is a "blind" comment by Constantine. If the latter, then he has a point and don't know why the Jews "lost track of time". Believe Enoch and other 'ancients' have the tradition that Gen. 1 and 2 (the creation) account began at the spring equinox (equilibrium). (This makes sense to me as well, having plotted it out. Not that that might mean something to any ;). It all ties out beautifully :thumbsup:.)
 
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I don't think Antioch and Alexandria disagree about the days. I don't see from your wiki quote that Alexandria taught that the 14th was Friday... only that the feast of Pascha was held on Friday. That is not a contradiction.

The "feast of Pascha" (Passover) is on the 'eve' of the 14th.

The "feast of the Resurrection" is on the Sunday that follows.

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Clement of Alexandria
Suitably, therefore, to the fourteenth day, on which He also suffered, in the morning, the chief priests and the scribes, who brought Him to Pilate, did not enter the Praetorium, that they might not be defiled, but might freely eat the passover in the evening. With this precise determination of the days both the whole Scriptures agree, and the Gospels harmonize. The resurrection also attests it. He certainly rose on the third day, which fell on the first day of the weeks of harvest, on which the law prescribed that the priest should offer up the sheaf.
Clement of Alexandria - Ante-Nicene - Writing of the Early Church Fathers on SearchGodsWord.org

Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria: the 14th was the day of death and was Friday.

Antioch: the 13th was the day of death and was Friday.
 
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Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria: the 14th was the day of death and was Friday.

Antioch: the 13th was the day of death and was Friday.

And in the Bible: the 14th was the day of His death and was on Wednesday.
So what we have here is man and his traditions verses the truth. Nothing new in that. Mankind has been doing that since Adam and Eve.
 
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There was no reason to copy all of your long and tourtured, misleading post.

Here are the facts:

If Christ rose on the first day of the week then He was either a liar or just plain wrong.
Either way He is not who He said He was. If He was buried in the evening, and He was,
He had to be raised in the evening 72 hours later. This is not difficult. Just read it in your own Bible and believe it.
You can't just put God’s word aside!


The two Sabbaths are explained. The annual Sabbath, "The First Day of Unleavened Bread” [Jo.19:31] and the weekly Sabbath that happened that week. Passover was Wednesday,
Thursday was “The First Day of Unleavened Bread,” Friday was the day that the women bought and prepared the spices and then rested on the weekly Sabbath--Saturday.
Believe the Bible rather than men.

The day before ANY Sabbath, whether weekly or annual is a preparation day.
The Passover is always a preparation day because the next day is always
"The First Day of Unleavened Bread" (Which is the 1st Annual Sabbath of the year) Lev. 23:5-8.
Remember the women went out and bought spices and prepared them
after one Sabbath ended (Mk.16:1) remember that Sabbath was a “High Day” (Jo.19:31) and then they rested on the next Sabbath? (Lk.23:56) this was the weekly Sabbath.
April 25th 31AD, the day of the crucifixion was on Wednesday, which was Passover that year "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" was Thursday: Friday was between "The First Day of Unleavened Bread" and the weekly Sabbath. Don't forget also that if Jesus was only 36 hrs. In the grave then His prophecy was wrong. He staked His messiahship on the fact that He would be in the grave 3 days AND 3 nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish. He said that would be the ONLY sign He would give an evil and adulterous world (Mat. 12:38.)
Don't be part of that evil and adulterous world that will not believe Him.

That is exactly right!
 
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