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Then it appears that out of the thousands of gods you don't believe in, I just happen to disbelieve in one more than you do.
 
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He is called a god:
2 Corinthians 4:4New Living Translation (NLT)

JWS call God Jehovah but most other Christians translate the four Hebrew letters as Lord.
 
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Might be a quirk of certain bible translations. I haven't read the whole thing in years, though.

Also, you are still the first person I have interacted with that labeled the devil a deity.

No quirk:


BTW

The word "deity" is a synonym for "god".
 
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Surgical removal of your coccyx would make normal movement for humans extremely difficult. Removal of a mere tail has no such effect.

You have it backwards. People with coccygeal agenesis (no coccyx) have no trouble moving around at all. Such a condition is normally without any symptoms at all, and people who have it are normally unaware of it.

Significant neurological deficits are associated with the high sacral malformations, but isolated coccygeal agenesis is usually asymptomatic.
http://www.neurosurgery.tv/caudalagenesis.html

On the other hand, removal of a tail is a serious problem for most animals. It is used as a organ of balance and as a means of communication. So major issues there.
 
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Haeckel was a major 19-t-century scientist, Jimmy. He did a comparative study of the development of the fetus in humans and other animals. He noted how similar this development was. He also felt the development of the fetus mirrors the history of evolution. In modern times, some creation-science people started a rumor that he faked his findings, was fired, etc. Absolutely none of this is true. Three have been modern compassions down between photos of the fetus and Haeckel's woodcuts and the latter are amazingly right on.
 
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Also, you are still the first person I have interacted with that labeled the devil a deity.

Dualism was more common in Roman society, where some Christian groups became affected by Manichean notions of two Gods, or by gnostic ideas of an inferior creator, who was made by a higher being.
 
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I had based my conclusion on the following statements:

 
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Dualism was more common in Roman society, where some Christian groups became affected by Manichean notions of two Gods, or by gnostic ideas of an inferior creator, who was made by a higher being.

So according to this view the person who wrote that scripture was contaminated by Gnostic influences? Jesus referred to Satan as the ruler of this world. Was Jesus a Gnostic? Revelation shows him battling God in heaven. Was the writer of the Revelation a Gnostic? The Book of Job portrays him as challenging God in heaven. Was he a Gnostic as well?

Paul tells us that the devil walks about seeking to devour and to put on a spiritual suit of armor for protection. Another Gnostic? I suppose the Moses who wrote about the Edenic snake was a Gnostic too-right? Jude tells us that Michael the Arch angel had a dispute with Satan and that disobedient angels were punished by God Gnostic? Peter also spoke of disobedient angels who challenged God. Gnostic I suppose? Mathew and other apostles portray Satan as tempting Jesus. Surely they had to be Gnostics.

Or am I misunderstanding you?
 
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Here is a relevant article:

You're going to cite Jonathan Wells? The disciple of Myung Son Moon, who thinks he's an improvement on Jesus Christ? The guy who got caught faking research on peppered moths?

C'mon. Tell you what. Take one claim out of that word salad that you think is most convincing and we'll have a look at it. If you can't find one, then that's how it goes with most people.
 
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Can you please provide a source for that information. Thanks!

Here's an example:

I actually took a course in embryology, and the showed us Haeckel's drawings as a historical curiosity, but notice that the branchial arches, tail, and so on, are all there in the photo. Haeckel was right about that. They certainly are there.
 
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So according to this view the person who wrote that scripture was contaminated by Gnostic influences?

There's only one God. And Old Scratch ain't Him.

Jesus referred to Satan as the ruler of this world. Was Jesus a Gnostic?

Augustus Caesar is referred to as the ruler of the Roman Empire in the Bible. So you think Augustus was God?

Revelation shows him battling God in heaven. Was the writer of the Revelation a Gnostic?

So if you oppose God, you're a god? How so?

The Book of Job portrays him as challenging God in heaven.

He was expressing doubt that Job loved God. C'mon. How does that make Satan a god?

Paul tells us that the devil walks about seeking to devour and to put on a spiritual suit of armor for protection.

Lions are god? How so? You definitely do sound gnostic and dualistic.
 
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Thanks Hoghead (and Barbarian). Whilst such work may have been pioneering and valuable at the time, I should imagine it's not really relevant in this day and age with modern imaging techniques and what not. Whether or not his studies are accurate, bringing 100+ year old drawings into the debate seems like straw-clutching at best.
 
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I suppose that one does what one can with whatever one has.
 
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I suppose that one does what one can with whatever one has.
He says he should imagine! That's a very typical modus operandi which is employed regularly when the need arises and the need arises very often within atheistic circles..

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What Catholic branch do you represent? The reason I ask is because I was thinking of attending the Catholic Church and your views seem excessively eccentric. In fact, they seem to border on the pro-atheist anti-biblical. Not that they are-of course. Just an impression that I get from your statements against the traditional biblical views.
 
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