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I could NOT disagree any more than I do
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28
ISBE also disagrees
In the account of the covenant between Yahweh and Abraham, circumcision is looked upon as the ratification of the agreement. Yahweh undertook to be the God of Abraham and his descendants. Abraham was the father of a multitude of nations and the founder of a line of kings. He and his descendants were to inherit Canaan.
The agreement thus formed was permanent;….
A series of key divine promises or covenants forms the backbone of God’s dealings with human beings. Because of our inability to secure our own prosperity—spiritual and physical—on the earth, a gracious God has committed Himself to providing what we cannot.
The main biblical covenants are a unifying factor for all events described in the Bible involving God and human beings... For example, the Abrahamic covenant is the basis for all of God’s subsequent dealings with Israel, and is expanded in the Palestinian, Davidic, and New covenants...
Karleen, P. S. (1987). The handbook to Bible study : With a guide to the Scofield study system
The agreement thus formed was permanent;….
A series of key divine promises or covenants forms the backbone of God’s dealings with human beings. Because of our inability to secure our own prosperity—spiritual and physical—on the earth, a gracious God has committed Himself to providing what we cannot.
The main biblical covenants are a unifying factor for all events described in the Bible involving God and human beings... For example, the Abrahamic covenant is the basis for all of God’s subsequent dealings with Israel, and is expanded in the Palestinian, Davidic, and New covenants...
Karleen, P. S. (1987). The handbook to Bible study : With a guide to the Scofield study system
There are three main features to the Abrahamic Covenant
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The promise of land (Gen. 12:1 ). God called Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees to a land that He would give him. This promise in Genesis 13:14–18 where it is confirmed by a shoe covenant; its dimensions are given in Genesis 15:18–21 . The land aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is also expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1–10, which is the Palestinian Covenant
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The promise of descendants God promised Abraham that He would make a great nation out of him. Abraham, who was 75 years old was promised many descendants. This promise is amplified in Genesis 17:6 where God promised that nations and kings would descend from the aged patriarch. This promise would eventuate in the Davidic throne with Messiah’s kingdom rule over the Hebrew people.
The promise of blessing and redemption . God promised to bless Abraham and the families of the earth through him. This promise is amplified in the New Covenant and has to do with “Israel’s spiritual blessing and redemption.” Jeremiah 31:34 anticipates the forgiveness of sin.
The unconditional and eternal nature of the covenant is seen in that the covenant is reaffirmed to Isaac . The “I will” promises suggest the unconditional aspect of the covenant. The covenant is further confirmed to Jacob. It is noteworthy that God reaffirmed these promises amid the sins of the patriarchs, which fact further emphasizes the unconditional nature of the Abrahamic Covenant.
Pentecost,& The Moody handbook of theology
In ZERO of these well-respected authorities is there a hint of works or obligation on the part of humanity. The “I will” demonstrates the unconditional element of the Covenant; ALL of God, to keep, but none of man’s to obey because of his imputed, sinful Adamic nature..
The promise of land (Gen. 12:1 ). God called Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees to a land that He would give him. This promise in Genesis 13:14–18 where it is confirmed by a shoe covenant; its dimensions are given in Genesis 15:18–21 . The land aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is also expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1–10, which is the Palestinian Covenant
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The promise of descendants God promised Abraham that He would make a great nation out of him. Abraham, who was 75 years old was promised many descendants. This promise is amplified in Genesis 17:6 where God promised that nations and kings would descend from the aged patriarch. This promise would eventuate in the Davidic throne with Messiah’s kingdom rule over the Hebrew people.
The promise of blessing and redemption . God promised to bless Abraham and the families of the earth through him. This promise is amplified in the New Covenant and has to do with “Israel’s spiritual blessing and redemption.” Jeremiah 31:34 anticipates the forgiveness of sin.
The unconditional and eternal nature of the covenant is seen in that the covenant is reaffirmed to Isaac . The “I will” promises suggest the unconditional aspect of the covenant. The covenant is further confirmed to Jacob. It is noteworthy that God reaffirmed these promises amid the sins of the patriarchs, which fact further emphasizes the unconditional nature of the Abrahamic Covenant.
Pentecost,& The Moody handbook of theology
Here is what you said in post 27: “The "condition" that God had for Abraham and his descendants was that actual "circumcision" itself. .” WHERE in Genesis 12 does God impose a “condition”? Again you are confusing unconditional covenant with the sign of this covenant. As a hypothetical, suppose the token was not given to Abraham’s offspring. Can you give us a Scriptural example where God said, “I gave you this promise unilaterally, but now I am going to permanently rescind it?
Good quotes, RND! Unfortunately, they seem to contradict your quote I posted from post 27. None of the above, except your post mentions any sort of condition.
No doubt that is what it may mean TO YOU, but the important thing is “What does a covenant mean to God?” God’s covenants are unconditional; they are not like contracts between equal humans.
Here, you seem to be all over the place, and I want to make sure that I understand you.
As it pertains to God you seem to believe that a promise from God is different than a covenant with God. If that is a true representation of your belief, please provide Scriptural references for that.
The second paragraph says you agree with the statement that Abraham EARNED his covenant. If that is a true representation of your belief, please provide Scriptural references for that.
It seems to be contrary to this:
Romans 4:9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision:
But RND can you not see the contradiction in your words, and what Scripture says?
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