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So neutrons fired at Mary, and Jesus was born? Neutrons fired at Jesus, and He raised from the dead? Neutrons fired at prophesies in the bible, and they come true? Neutrons fired at Adam, and he came to life? Neutrons fired at the flood waters, and they went down? Neutrons fired at the temple in Jerusalem, and not one stone was left on another? Neutrons fired at the state of the past and future, and made them the same?? Get serious.
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Stop confusing neutrons and neurons. A neutron is a particle found in nuclei; it has charge 0, mass slightly more than 1 amu, and is composed of two down and one up quark. A neuron is a cell in your brain. And neutrons don't have leptons inside them; neurons, however, do (electrons are leptons).The human brain is able to be affected by spiritual impulses.
As you know, the neutrons are composed of quarks and leptons.
If you're italicizing 'strange quark' and 'charm quark' because of the names, don't. It's just some random name; you could call them ana and kata if you wanted. Besides, what's so spiritual about quarks?"Quarks and Leptons are the building blocks which build up matter, i.e., they are seen as the "elementary particles".
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/quark.html#c1
Quarks, such as the strange quark, and the charm quark, are subject to the fundamental forces of this present universe. Such as strong and weak forces.
"Particle decay by the strong or electromagnetic interactions preserve the strangeness quantum number. The decay process for the lambda particle must violate that rule, since there is no lighter particle which contains a strange quark - so the strange quark must be transformed to another quark in the process. That can only occur by the weak interaction, and that leads to a much longer lifetime. The decay processes show that strangeness is not conserved:"
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/quark.html#c4
Then we seem to tie in with the quantum world, which means we really get to the borders of the box! Some feel that the quantum level interactions involve time travel, past and present. If the universe was a different state in the past, and will be in the future, it is no wonder we might consider some of the results strange!
Is it any wonder that the brain involves more than natural mechanics?? Therefore, if one takes the limited, natural, physical only perspective of what science can detect of the brain, and how it works, we would tend, it seems, to think of the brain as more of a self contained hard drive, (subject only to natural input)- than a vibrant, connected, inspiration sensitive tool to run the body, and be able to connect with the spirit of man, and other spiritual input!
Quarks, such as the strange quark, and the charm quark, are subject to the fundamental forces of this present universe. Such as strong and weak forces.
Then we seem to tie in with the quantum world, which means we really get to the borders of the box!
Some feel that the quantum level interactions involve time travel, past and present.
If the universe was a different state in the past, and will be in the future, it is no wonder we might consider some of the results strange!
Is it any wonder that the brain involves more than natural mechanics??
able to connect with the spirit of man, and other spiritual input!
The spiritual is not known, which is why it is unmeasurable. What you may describe as spiritual may be due to a pattern of neurons firing that you cannot pin down into conventional language - i am not a psychologist, so I can only speculate.
So neutrons fired at Mary, and Jesus was born? Neutrons fired at Jesus, and He raised from the dead? Neutrons fired at prophesies in the bible, and they come true? Neutrons fired at Adam, and he came to life? Neutrons fired at the flood waters, and they went down? Neutrons fired at the temple in Jerusalem, and not one stone was left on another? Neutrons fired at the state of the past and future, and made them the same?? Get serious.
So this is how we arrived here, I can only assume someone misread my post and googled neutron instead of neuron.The human brain is able to be affected by spiritual impulses.
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Right you are, the brain uses nuerons. They also are sensitive to the spiritual, of course.So this is how we arrived here, I can only assume someone misread my post and googled neutron instead of neuron.
But it does raise one interesting point, if 'spiritual impulses' (whatever that means) are measurable (which is what you have indicated, if you have evidence that it really does effect the brain then it must be measurable) and so the spiritual is not supernatural and not a mystery after all.
OK, beats the limited meanings they can come up with.Hey, let's draw all sorts of really deep and meaningful spiritual concepts from the names given to subatomic particles!
No, but I have a feeling I am about to find out.Of course, you would be lead to becoming a Buddhist that way. I'm sure you know why.
Well, some spiritual world concepts might have a counterpart here. But since he would have no idea, it really doesn't gel here. But I guess some have some humor in naming things.In case you don't, I'll 'splain it to you.
Murray Gell-Man, while attempting to put together a framework for the various subatomic particles realized there was an 8-fold symmetry derived from the current algebra (the mathematical framework of the quantum field theory) in the classification scheme. Gell-Man, a polymath by nature, found it to be an interesting concept and grabbed an idea he'd heard about in Buddhism called the Noble 8-Fold Path and stuck the name "8-Fold Way" onto this. I don't believe he thought it was in any way spiritual, just a parallel concept. Kind of a fun bit of mental word-play. But I've only read one biography of Gell-Man and it was years ago, so I'm kinda rusty on this.
Of course Gell-Man named the quarks quarks after a line in James Joyce's Finnegans Wake. (SOURCE)
No thanks. No more than I'll start hunting scorpion like critters with beaver tails. In fact, I hope God renames most of that nonsense, including the constellations, some of them. -Mountain ranges, oceans, seas, etc etc.So, if this is all so very meaningful, I suspect you'll quickly become a Buddhist with an obsession for early-mid 20th century experimental literature.
I will hazard a guess that you are incapable of understanding that mathematics is not the main factor in the strangeness of some things underlying quantum mechanics.I will hazard a guess that you are incapable of understanding the mathematics underlying quantum mechanics.
The box limits are the limits of this physical temporary universe, and it's laws. No need to talk bravely of that. Any more than one would talk bravely of Mickey Mouse.It isn't easy stuff and you appear to have difficulty with simple algebra (which you have lumped into the condescending status of "baby math"), so you probably shouldn't be talking too bravely about the edges of a box you don't even understand the size of.
That was my point, and the reason given was that the past and future states are not our state. Not sure how you think this is some sort of news.But remember, some of the strangest aspects of quantum come in when you realize that what happens at a quantum level doesn't always translate up to the macro world.
Duh, ya think??In the quantum level we have subatomic particles that can do things ensembles of subatomic particles (like people and things) don't normally do on the length and time scales we exist in.
Thanks, here is a few for you, I can be nice as well.Here's some handy Google terms, so the next time you bring this up you'll have some random snippets you can highlight various words form:
Richard Feynman
Feynman Diagram
QED
Quantum electrodynamics
You can't, assuming that the present is the same state as the past and future, which may be the reason it is strange -to you!! Not to me.Shouldn't you have at least a nodding acquaintance with what we do know before you go off in hopes of finding even stranger things?
Because the bible was inspired, so it had to bypass brains of mere men to some degree.It does? How do you know?
I am the one that is curious about the spiritual, rather than ignorantly denying it. Without it, there will be many things you cannot understand. Just because it marginalizes knowledge of this PO state, does not mean it is not something that can't be understood somewhat. It just means that understanding more than the limited temporary physical only world is part of any deeper understanding.That must make you comfortable, because it doesn't require anyone to technically "understand" anything. You can just chalk it all up to the "Spiritual". It's a nice big black box to hide your stunning lack of curiosity in.
Hi, all's well on the western front, thanks.Hey, dad! How's it going?
So the brain is susceptable to spiritual impulses?Right you are, the brain uses nuerons. They also are sensitive to the spiritual, of course.
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--About the point that the spiritual affecting the physical makes it no mystery, there is a catch. We can't detect the spiritual, and all we see are the receptors, so to speak. Since we are made to be in this physical world, and it for us, however, receptors of things, or impulses spiritual, also have other purposes.
Not very well AV, he's tripping over everything at the moment.Hey, dad! How's it going?
Not very well AV, he's tripping over everything at the moment.
Maybe you should lend a hand, or even throw a towel in for him.
I don't see why not. The more the merrier in my opinion....
Oh, I'm sure dad can handle it just fine. I'm sure you wouldn't want dad and me as tag-team partners ---
I will hazard a guess that you are incapable of understanding that mathematics is not the main factor in the strangeness of some things underlying quantum mechanics.
Because the bible was inspired, so it had to bypass brains of mere men to some degree.
Without it, there will be many things you cannot understand.
Just because it marginalizes knowledge of this PO state
Evidence spans history. Inspiration from the spiritual is long established in the records. In the arts, sciences, and every area of man's endeavors. Some claim inspiration from beyond the natural. Ancient cultures are rife with gods, and spirits. Presidents have claimed inspiration, generals, you name it. Good and bad. The natural mind of man is dead to the things of the spirit, but the mind can be brought to life somewhat if man is born of the spirit.So the brain is susceptable to spiritual impulses?
Do you have any evidence for this?
We were built with what we need, but if we want stuff to work right, we need to use it right.Anything that can stimulate the brain can be measured, as it has physical effects it cannot be supernatural.
Are you saying that we need 'spiritual receptors' to able to detect the presence of god?
We can break down cells, brain cells, to the more elementary parts. Along the line, we get into neutrons. As we talked about connecting the physical to the spiritual, yes, the subatomic and quantum levels become very meaningful.Or are you just contradicting yourself (again)?
Apart from the stupid notion that as neurons are made of molecules/atoms/sub-atomic particles then they behave like them, is there anything meaningful in this post?
"We want to pump...you up!"
"Jah"
I understand it seems enormous to you. As I said, the math isn't the reason for quantum strangeness. Neither is algebra the thing that applies to heavenly light speed, or loaves and fishes.
And you have a brain capable of understanding such enormous concepts? ..
Thanks, it is a pretty shallow tree, as I pointed out. Your math, and rock reading skills are marginalized.The fruit you bring forth (calling math you don't understand "baby math", calling geology you don't comprehend "doo doo") says ever so much about the nature of the tree. And how deep the roots go.
Maybe not the things you preach, but they don't matter, as concerns the core issues.Well, the spiritual doesn't seem to help you understand much around here.
Thank you! I try. It deserves to be put in it's little place, rather than worshiped, as some have done.Do not be confused: YOU are the one who marginalizes knowledge of the "PO state".
Always easy to say, but the proof is in the pudding, and you have no case. Your perceived self cleverness is what keeps you in the dark, and at the dead end of natural only so called science. I have no intention of trying to get you out of there, since you desire to be there. There are some who never ran away from God, to end up in that dead end, and they have some hope of seeing that there is more than you can offer.That's likely because you are incapable of understanding even the simple stuff here. So you hide your ignorance behind a big blustery wall of condescension.
You can see the PO, and know the PO. You seem to think it is evil to expose the PO as not all that there is. No. A good tree gets it's sap from God, doesn't try to make a sap out of God.And we see the fruit and know the tree.
Fair point, but I'm sure you can see where we're coming from and why we ask for it.To be truthful, I'm not sure we could handle all the constant begging for evidence for things spiritual.
To be fair, I consider myself an educated man but maths and physics tend to leave me left behind big time.And you have a brain capable of understanding such enormous concepts? Yet you can't handle simple algebra. Funny. You talk so big, yet I think this applies:
Again, you complicate the picture by invoking the supernatural. Humans have a history of warfare, conquest and inflicting suffering - this is nothing to do with god, it is in our nature. Andjust because we have a history of it doesn't make it good, just or even right.Evidence spans history. Inspiration from the spiritual is long established in the records. In the arts, sciences, and every area of man's endeavors. Some claim inspiration from beyond the natural. Ancient cultures are rife with gods, and spirits. Presidents have claimed inspiration, generals, you name it. Good and bad. The natural mind of man is dead to the things of the spirit, but the mind can be brought to life somewhat if man is born of the spirit.
Now i actually agree with this sentance.We were built with what we need, but if we want stuff to work right, we need to use it right.
Are you suggesting that 'free' neutrons hae an affinity for those bound up in atoms, and specifically those in biological systems?We can break down cells, brain cells, to the more elementary parts. Along the line, we get into neutrons. As we talked about connecting the physical to the spiritual, yes, the subatomic and quantum levels become very meaningful.
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