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<blockquote data-quote="lucaspa" data-source="post: 1131201" data-attributes="member: 4882"><p>But it can also be a fair demonstration. For instance, if you know the chemicals are present and you know what the energy source is. Then all you are doing is simulating in the lab what happens in nature.</p><p> </p><p>Here are some papers showing that the formation of protocells was a simulation, not "forcing":</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Snyder WD and Fox, SW. A model for the origin of stable protocells in a <strong>primitive alkaline ocean</strong>. BioSystems 7: 222-229, 1975.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Rohlfing, DL. Thermal polyamino acids: synthesis at less than 100°C. Science 193: 68-70, 1976.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Syren RM, Sanjur A, Fox SW Proteinoid microspheres more stable in hot than in cold water. Biosystems 1985;17(4):275-80 (protocells at hydrothermal vents)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Yanagawa, H. and K. Kobayashi. 1992. An experimental approach to chemical evolution in <strong>submarine hydrothermal. systems</strong>. Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere 22: 147-159. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Marshall, W. H. 1994. Hydrothermal synthesis of amino acids. Goechimica et Cosmochimica Acta 58: 2099-2106.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> McAlhaney WW, Rohlfing DL. Formation of proteinoid microspheres under simulated prebiotic atmospheres and individual gases. Biosystems 1976 Jul;8(2):45-50</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Fouche-CE Jr; Rohlfing-DL Thermal polymerization of amino acids under various atmospheres or at low pressures. Biosystems. 1976 Jul; 8(2): 57-65 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> SW Fox, Thermal polymerization of amino-acids and production of formed microparticles <strong>on lava</strong>. Nature, 201: 336-337, Jan. 25, 1964.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Hennon, G, Plaquet, R, Biserte, G. The synthesis of amino acid polymers by thermal condensation at 105° without a catalyst. Biochimie 57: 1395-1396, 1975.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Saunders MA and Rohlfing DL, Inclusion of <strong>nonproteinous</strong> amino acids in thermally prepared models for prebiotic protein. Biosystems 6. 81-92, 1974.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">BTW, in an earlier post you mentioned "communication"</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hsu, LL, Brooke, S, Fox, SW. Conjugation of proteinoid microspheres: a model of primordial communication. Curr. Mod. Biol. (now BioSystems) 4: 12-25, 1971.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lucaspa, post: 1131201, member: 4882"] But it can also be a fair demonstration. For instance, if you know the chemicals are present and you know what the energy source is. Then all you are doing is simulating in the lab what happens in nature. Here are some papers showing that the formation of protocells was a simulation, not "forcing": [font=Arial]Snyder WD and Fox, SW. A model for the origin of stable protocells in a [b]primitive alkaline ocean[/b]. BioSystems 7: 222-229, 1975. Rohlfing, DL. Thermal polyamino acids: synthesis at less than 100°C. Science 193: 68-70, 1976. Syren RM, Sanjur A, Fox SW Proteinoid microspheres more stable in hot than in cold water. Biosystems 1985;17(4):275-80 (protocells at hydrothermal vents) Yanagawa, H. and K. Kobayashi. 1992. An experimental approach to chemical evolution in [b]submarine hydrothermal. systems[/b]. Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere 22: 147-159. Marshall, W. H. 1994. Hydrothermal synthesis of amino acids. Goechimica et Cosmochimica Acta 58: 2099-2106. McAlhaney WW, Rohlfing DL. Formation of proteinoid microspheres under simulated prebiotic atmospheres and individual gases. Biosystems 1976 Jul;8(2):45-50 Fouche-CE Jr; Rohlfing-DL Thermal polymerization of amino acids under various atmospheres or at low pressures. Biosystems. 1976 Jul; 8(2): 57-65 [/font] [font=Arial] SW Fox, Thermal polymerization of amino-acids and production of formed microparticles [b]on lava[/b]. Nature, 201: 336-337, Jan. 25, 1964. Hennon, G, Plaquet, R, Biserte, G. The synthesis of amino acid polymers by thermal condensation at 105° without a catalyst. Biochimie 57: 1395-1396, 1975.[/font] [font=Arial]Saunders MA and Rohlfing DL, Inclusion of [b]nonproteinous[/b] amino acids in thermally prepared models for prebiotic protein. Biosystems 6. 81-92, 1974.[/font] [font=Arial]BTW, in an earlier post you mentioned "communication"[/font] [font=Arial]Hsu, LL, Brooke, S, Fox, SW. Conjugation of proteinoid microspheres: a model of primordial communication. Curr. Mod. Biol. (now BioSystems) 4: 12-25, 1971.[/font] [/QUOTE]
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