The Bird is the Word

[david_x]

Title, does not relate.

To prove that God is not moral, they assume he is not all knowing. Do they not have to prove his ignorance before his immorality?

 

[Penumbra]

Title, does not relate.

To prove that God is not moral, they assume he is not all knowing. Do they not have to prove his ignorance before his immorality?

Only if you accept that the ends justify the means, regardless of how ugly the means may be.

And only if the end, as it is described, is seen as moral.

-Lyn

 

[david_x]

Only if you accept that the ends justify the means, regardless of how ugly the means may be.

And only if the end, as it is described, is seen as moral.

-Lyn

Crime and punishment, in that order. I have never seen the ends come before the means in the way that He has acted.

 

[Kaonashi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwWwcUvY30&feature=related

 

[nolongerhome]

Title, does not relate.

To prove that God is not moral, they assume he is not all knowing. Do they not have to prove his ignorance before his immorality?

Well, for starters his existence would need to be proven.

However, why is it not possible for an all knowing entity to be immoral?

 

[Washington]

Title, does not relate.

To prove that God is not moral, they assume he is not all knowing. Do they not have to prove his ignorance before his immorality?

And "they" are . . . . ? I ask because I've never heard of this "proof" before. And just how does the proof read?

 

[david_x]

Well, for starters his existence would need to be proven.

However, why is it not possible for an all knowing entity to be immoral?

It is possible for an all knowing to be immoral, they point out his ignorance without proving it though.

 

[nolongerhome]

It is possible for an all knowing to be immoral, they point out his ignorance without proving it though.

Who are "they"?

 

[david_x]

And "they" are . . . . ? I ask because I've never heard of this "proof" before. And just how does the proof read?

Various people.

It's usally written as "God did all these terrible things..." usually without taking into account the reasoning that these people were evil.

 

[nolongerhome]

Various people.

It's usally written as "God did all these terrible things..." usually without taking into account the reasoning that these people were evil.

Considering that you have admited that it is possible for an omniscient being to be immoral, is it not possible that God knew that these people were not evil but killed them anyway?

I mean, you are using the Bible (that is, the word of God), as your evidence. It is only because of his testimony that you believe that they are evil. I don't know if it is always the best idea to believe the version of events of the criminal, do you?

 

[david_x]

Considering that you have admited that it is possible for an omniscient being to be immoral, is it not possible that God knew that these people were not evil but killed them anyway?

Yes of course, and I would address such an argument. The problem is that this is not the argument that is given.

I mean, you are using the Bible (that is, the word of God), as your evidence. It is only because of his testimony that you believe that they are evil. I don't know if it is always the best idea to believe the version of events of the criminal, do you?

Very true, that is why being Christian is more than biblical. The Bible is only part of the reason we believe as we do. There is also the Spirit of God, interpretor, and the Church, which judges what is spirit lead by the Bible.

 

[RobinRobyn]

Various people.

It's usally written as "God did all these terrible things..." usually without taking into account the reasoning that these people were evil.

Let me ask you: can an infant be evil? Is there any moral justification for killing an infant?

 

[david_x]

Let me ask you: can an infant be evil? Is there any moral justification for killing an infant?

I don't think it's impossible...

 

[RobinRobyn]

I don't think it's impossible...

So there can be moral justification for killing an infant? To be clear: are you saying that it might be moral to kill an infant?

 

[nolongerhome]

Yes of course, and I would address such an argument. The problem is that this is not the argument that is given.

Can you explain to me why you are adressing an argument that, as far as I can see, hasn't been presented by anyone?

Maybe instead of the illogical argument you set up in your OP to defeat you would be better off trying to address the logical one that I've presented?

 

[david_x]

So there can be moral justification for killing an infant? To be clear: are you saying that it might be moral to kill an infant?

I'm not going to rule out the possibility that there may have been some evil infants. Obviously I don't know what that would look like, nor do I think it's possible today when all men are under the blood of Christ.

 

[david_x]

Can you explain to me why you are adressing an argument that, as far as I can see, hasn't been presented by anyone?

Maybe instead of the illogical argument you set up in your OP to defeat you would be better off trying to address the logical one that I've presented?

Which is?

 

[nolongerhome]

Which is?

That it is possible for an omniscient being to be immoral and therefore possible for the Christian God to be immoral, if indeed he exists.

You are arguing against "people" that say God is immoral because you say they make the mistake of assuming ignorance. What you have accepted, when I put it to you, is that God's knowledge or lack of it is irrelevant. In other words, you bringing up this assumption that "they" have does nothing to prove God's morality. So what is the point?

 

[RobinRobyn]

I'm not going to rule out the possibility that there may have been some evil infants. Obviously I don't know what that would look like, nor do I think it's possible today when all men are under the blood of Christ.

You understand I'm trying to be very clear here. Yes or no, do you agree that it can be moral to kill an infant?

 

[david_x]

That it is possible for an omniscient being to be immoral and therefore possible for the Christian God to be immoral, if indeed he exists.

I agreed with you, or meant to.