The Big Bang Theory

[Late_Cretaceous]

Why do creationists pick on this particular theory so much, insinuating that somehow it violates the laws of physics? The Big Bang Theory has been around for several decades now, and is constantly being revised in light of new evidence. Big Bang Theory is also continually validated through observations made by today's mega-telescopes and at places like CERN.

I have asked this question several times and have only been met with silence.

IF THE BIG BANG THOERY, OR ANY VARIATION OF IT, VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, THEN WHY DID PHYSICISTS PROPOSE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE - AND WHY DO THE VAST MAJORITY OF PHYSICISTS CONTINUE ENDORSE IT?

If the Big Bang thoery was so flawed that a laymen can pick it apart over a bowl of cornflakes, then wouldn't that make all these physicists totally incompetent?

What are we to make of all the new discoveries being made in quantum mechanics and particle physics - including the onset of whole new technologies (i.e. quantum computers) - if physicists are so daft?

 

[lithium.]

Because the big bang theory isn't in the bible. Truly i have no idea. I mean it's like evolution both theories have been around so long and scientists find evidence all the time that supports both theories. But creationist still think that they have to be wrong because of there interpretation of the bible, the theory has to be wrong. Yet they don't stop to think that there interpretation is what could be wrong.

 

[PhantomLlama]

They believe in the big bang because Satan placed it in their minds to spread his evil agenda. Even now schoolchildren are being indoctrinated into beliefs about huge explosions creating the universe. The explosion is a destructive act, not a creative one, which shows both the destructive nature of these teachings and how they are contradictory to the natural order of things. In the light of these hidden meanings, how can anyone doubt their satanic origin?

 

[L'Anatra]

Yesterday at 01:02 PM PhantomLlama said this in Post #3
They believe in the big bang because Satan placed it in their minds to spread his evil agenda. Even now schoolchildren are being indoctrinated into beliefs about huge explosions creating the universe. The explosion is a destructive act, not a creative one, which shows both the destructive nature of these teachings and how they are contradictory to the natural order of things. In the light of these hidden meanings, how can anyone doubt their satanic origin?

Hehehe!!!

 

[Arikay]

LoL, that was way too good. Are you sure there isnt a literal fundementalist Just clawing and bitting to get out?

Yesterday at 10:02 AM PhantomLlama said this in Post #3

They believe in the big bang because Satan placed it in their minds to spread his evil agenda. Even now schoolchildren are being indoctrinated into beliefs about huge explosions creating the universe. The explosion is a destructive act, not a creative one, which shows both the destructive nature of these teachings and how they are contradictory to the natural order of things. In the light of these hidden meanings, how can anyone doubt their satanic origin?

 

[Freodin]

Did they know that the Big Bang theory was originally a Christian proposition, to counter the then accepted naturalistic assumtion of an eternal universe?

 

[wblastyn]

Did they know that the Big Bang theory was originally a Christian proposition, to counter the then accepted naturalistic assumtion of an eternal universe?

Really? Hahahaaaa

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 11:58 AM Late_Cretaceous said this in Post #1

Why do creationists pick on this particular theory so much, 

The Big Bang or the expanding universe theory comes out of Jewish mysticism, going back to at least 1300 ad. While it is religious in nature, it does not really have it's roots in the Bible, but in the Hebrew literature that goes along with the Bible. The Midrash, Talmund and esp, the  Kabbalah.

Traditionally, Christians have not accepted these books as being very relyable. They are based on oral traditions that were handed down from generation to generation. Also they are based on the works of so called great religious leaders that did not always prove to be accurate as far as the Christians were concerned.

The general attitude is all we need is our KJV and if it ain't in there, then we don't need to know. God put all we need to know in what is now that one book.  

 

[L'Anatra]

Today at 04:39 AM Freodin said this in Post #6
Did they know that the Big Bang theory was originally a Christian proposition, to counter the then accepted naturalistic assumtion of an eternal universe?

There's so much irony on this forum it's ridiculous!

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 04:39 AM Freodin said this in Post #6

Did they know that the Big Bang theory was originally a Christian proposition, to counter the then accepted naturalistic assumtion of an eternal universe?

One of the Big Bang theorys does not really say the universe is not eternal. It would say the universe is always in the process of expanding or shrinking.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Today at 02:35 AM wblastyn said this in Post #7


Really? Hahahaaaa

Yes it was, the best theory we had before this was one variation or another of a "steady state universe" which didn't jive well with the idea of beginnings and endings in Christianity.

So the "Big Bang" like evolution are both theories purposed by Christians that bailed Christianity out of being tossed away as a bad idea.

The sad irony is that "creationists" want to toss out the two things in science that save Christianity as a viable religion...

 

[L'Anatra]

Today at 05:58 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #10
One of the Big Bang theorys does not really say the universe is not eternal. It would say the universe is always in the process of expanding or shrinking.

That's beside the point. The Big Bang theory was proposed largely in part because scientists noticed that the universe was expanding. Logically, that meant it could have a concrete beginning at some point in time. This contradicts the then prevailing notion that the universe had existed forever, fitting in perfectly with the assertion in the Bible that the universe has existed for a finite amount of time.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Today at 02:58 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #10



One of the Big Bang theorys does not really say the universe is not eternal. It would say the universe is always in the process of expanding or shrinking.

That would be the Bang/Crunch model, which has been tossed out for about ten years or so if I remember corectly...

 

[Jon]

Creationist pick the Big bang most often because its the easiest to show to be wrong.

 

[Arikay]

But they have yet to show its wrong.

Today at 02:11 PM Jon said this in Post #14

Creationist pick the Big bang most often because its the easiest to show to be wrong.

 

[Aceldama]

Today at 10:11 PM Jon said this in Post #14

Creationist pick the Big bang most often because its the easiest to show to be wrong.

Anyone can show anything wrong if they know practicaly nothing about it in the first place. Thats why you get the "everything can't come from nothing!" arguments.

 

[L'Anatra]

Today at 05:11 PM Jon said this in Post #14
Creationist pick the Big bang most often because its the easiest to show to be wrong.

Really? Do you know what the Big Bang is?

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Wow jon, if you know what's wrong with it why don't you tell someone. There just might be a nobel prize in store for you if you do.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Yesterday at 11:58 AM Late_Cretaceous said this in Post #1

IF THE BIG BANG THOERY, OR ANY VARIATION OF IT, VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, THEN WHY DID PHYSICISTS PROPOSE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE - AND WHY DO THE VAST MAJORITY OF PHYSICISTS CONTINUE ENDORSE IT?

The implication here is that scientists are intelligent. However, as AIG, ICR, and other creationist organizations have demonstrated, even the layman can be armed with the necessary knowledge to demolish any scientific theory, thus rendering scientists no more intelligent than the average (and probably well below average) layman.

Personally, I think some people that buy into the stuff those creationist organizations put out do so because it makes them feel smarter than your run-of-the-mill PhD-totin' scientist (often regarded as the intellectual elite).

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 04:39 AM Freodin said this in Post #6

Did they know that the Big Bang theory was originally a Christian proposition, to counter the then accepted naturalistic assumtion of an eternal universe?

That wasn't the origin of the Big Bang.  However, Big Bang has been used that way by many theists as a counter to the common atheist argument of an always existing universe.  According to Hugh Ross, only an atheist would resist the Big Bang. 

And Lerner is an atheist who does just that in The Big Bang Never Happened.  He even borrows from creationists and blames all the bad things in the world on Big Bang theory.  In particular, he blames the death sentence of Salmon Rushdie on the Big Bang!