CaliforniaSun
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Technically, he's right, as Christians are instructed by their leaders that their god always answers prayers with a yes, no, or not yet.
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No he hasn't unless you never pray and therefore you are batting 0 for 0.
CaliforniaSun said:Technically, he's right, as Christians are instructed by their leaders that their god always answers prayers with a yes, no, or not yet.
Word 'em up, son, although the only leader I listen to on this matter is God, and due to his answering my prayers with "yes" so often puts me at a much better record than an 0 for 0 type count.
Mr Strawberry said:Always amazes me that people think God answers their prayers when he so obviously ignores so many others. One can only imagine the self centred thinking going on.
Hopefully that one is also imagining the blatant generalization and assumption going on. Who said God ignores others? Who said all my prayers were for me? Keep praying, Mr Strawberry, you'll get there.
PS, good to hear you're always amazed. Many a prayer being answered apparently! Praise the Lord!
Mr Strawberry said:Well, let's start with the 25,000 people who will die of starvation today. How are their prayers doing?
Oh you're one of those. Bad things happen. Must not be a God. I agree, many many many prayers don't go the way of the one praying. Counting lots of my own, but not once in my post did I say every prayer is always answered all the time, Mr. Strassumption, but speaking on behalf of myself, what I've lived and seen cannot be unlived or unseen because of some stats. I wish God answered every single one of my prayers, cause we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. You'd be a believer. But let the big man do his job. I'm sure it's a lot harder than mine and yours put together!!!! I added three more exclamation points for emphasis.
Mr Strawberry said:So in other words you have no explanation as to why God you describe is so capricious. Of course the obvious answer is that there is no one there listening and that you are just doing some creative interpretation of events in your own life. This does of course require viewing the world in a rather narrow way, otherwise the blatant unfairness of selective intervention would destroy the whole illusion.
Base rate fallacy.Why on earth would I, or anyone, ever proclaim to have the knowledge of why God does what he does? To assume you're equipped with such a mind is an extraordinary arrogance on your part. You're also forgetting, that in my belief system, death is not the worst thing, not the end all be all. Not to sound morbid, and God willing I'll live a long full life, but I can't wait to get to the other side. Most of those 25,000 are there now, feeling no pain, no suffering, no fear. Just joy, love and warmth, and perhaps some flying. I've always wondered if we get to fly.
As far as misinterpreting my experiences... nothing I haven't heard before, lad. And by all means, you go ahead and believe that. I'll continue on with my beliefs.
And I'm surprised you didn't call me out for assuming you were an unbeliever, since I called you Mr. Strassumption, but turns out I was right.
Hey man, gonna make some dinner, but God Bless you, brother. I'll be back later to carry on.
You claimed they are always answered - which I took it to mean a positive result. If that is your claim then you either pray not at all or you are not being truthful. Do not tell me everything you have ever prayed for has come to fruition in the manner you wanted it to - because I do not believe you or anybody who makes that claim.Word 'em up, son, although the only leader I listen to on this matter is God, and due to his answering my prayers with "yes" so often puts me at a much better record than an 0 for 0 type count.
NGC 6712 said:You claimed they are always answered - which I took it to mean a positive result. If that is your claim then you either pray not at all or you are not being truthful. Do not tell me everything you have ever prayed for has come to fruition in the manner you wanted it to - because I do not believe you or anybody who makes that claim.
Why on earth would I, or anyone, ever proclaim to have the knowledge of why God does what he does? To assume you're equipped with such a mind is an extraordinary arrogance on your part. You're also forgetting, that in my belief system, death is not the worst thing, not the end all be all. Not to sound morbid, and God willing I'll live a long full life, but I can't wait to get to the other side. Most of those 25,000 are there now, feeling no pain, no suffering, no fear. Just joy, love and warmth, and perhaps some flying. I've always wondered if we get to fly.
As far as misinterpreting my experiences... nothing I haven't heard before, lad. And by all means, you go ahead and believe that. I'll continue on with my beliefs.
And I'm surprised you didn't call me out for assuming you were an unbeliever, since I called you Mr. Strassumption, but turns out I was right.
Hey man, gonna make some dinner, but God Bless you, brother. I'll be back later to carry on.
Mr Strawberry said:I have an atheist icon under my name, which as you are new you perhaps didn't recognise.
So now you are presenting a view of God allowing 25,000 people to die of starvation a day as "not the worst thing". Death being something to look forward to obviously. This does nothing to address the pain and suffering they endure before they die. Starving to death isn't nice and quick like being hit by a bus, but then nor are most of the diseases that kill millions each year. I assume you're not going to claim that suffering is good for you or any of that rot I hope. Let's see, how many people in the world are suffering the agonies of a disease that will kill them because they have no access to modern medicine. Strangely these people don;t have their prayers answered. They just suffer and then die. Diarrhea, AIDS, malaria, these claim millions of victims each year. Meanwhile you are quite content to believe that God has stepped in to fix something in your life while He ignores all of them. What sort of viewpoint would you call that?
But you claim that even questioning this bizarre policy of your God's is arrogant. Well that's a nice get out clause to avoid having to think about whether what you believe actually makes any sense or not. Tell me, can you think of a single prayer you believe God has answered for you that you wouldn't immediately swap this minute with a child needlessly dying of hunger? Can you honestly make that claim? If you can't then you have to wonder why this omnipotent God thought you were more deserving. Do you think your God was right? Or do you think perhaps He got His priorities wrong?
Which is noble; but there are some people who have realised that prayer is not enough, and they send aid to help others less fortunate.I pray for the sick and hungry more than I pray for myself, yet they keep suffering and keep dying. It's quite sad. I'm sorry that these stats have turned you away from God though, which is where the arrogance comes in. Questioning is one thing, but saying you know better than Him about what should be done is quite another.
Just plain old Nails will do, the 'II' was onlt because someone else had used my favourite nickname before me....NailsII,
Red it again, it contained more than one fact.The title of your post is ironic unless you were trying to one up SavedByChrist94 because your post had exactly zero facts. Unless you count that the earth revolves around the sun, which by you noting, proves just what a scientific genius you are. And because "You're too dumb to get it" is the universal outcry of the evolutionist, please explain through biology what SavedByChrist94 just isn't understanding about evolution.
Glad I made you chuckle, but in reality that is a fact - because, if there was evidence for a creation event as described in the bible, then there wouldn't be that many atheists."No evidence for a creator" is quite comical to me. I can name approximately 18 trillion evidences for Him, but none of them are big words, they're easily explained, and don't need website links to back them up, which is why you dismiss them because the layman can easily understand them. Pretty ironic that you have to be super duper smart, as you proclaim to be, to ignore God's creation.
Our brains are pretty much as limited as most people would expect given that we evolved from apes on the savannah.But you're so incredibly smart and gifted, you know exactly how God would think, if there were one. I'll give you a hint, your brain is human, fallible and not even remotely close to all knowing. That fact that, according to evolutionists, we evolved from a primordial soup indicates that we were destined to become super geniuses! Why WOULDN'T we know all the ins and outs of the universe with our one off monkey brains?
I have found no such proof - hence I describe myself as atheist.God most certainly exists. I pray that one day you will be shown that. If you seek God, you will find Him. Most unbelievers want nothing to do with God, and therefore seek the evidences they desire so they can rest easy. Through my life, and doubts, and hopes and fears, I was given proof by God himself that He's real, He's watching, and one day, sooner or later, you will find that out.
Thanks for the blessing, but please don't pray for me.God Bless you, NailsII. You're in my prayers tonight. Fortunately, my God answers prayers. Always has.
Now that really would be nice.Peace
"evolution" is a faith. the chances of it happening are impossible. the proof? since the character limit doesn't allow me to copy and paste the whole thing, on mathematics of evolution .com on chapter 15 and icr.org article entitled, The Mathematical Impossibility Of Evolution
Because again, no random act could've created this earth {snip}
...when it is logically and mathematically impossible for "evolution" to have occurred, and you say otherwise, then that is just relying on faith and not fact.
That is why I am a Young Earth Creationist, God creating the earth the way he says in The Bible makes the most logical, possible and scientific sense.
No, irreducible complexity shows all or nothing. an accident statistically cannot make something so complex and this is common sense.
"evolution" is like saying a pencil can magically scribble itself on a paper until it forms a proper sentence {snip}
Me sacrificing myself for a loved one, for love doesn't have anything at all to do with survival of fittest. {snip}
That was an example. the "evolution" theory is that the fit survive and "evolve" and that that the weak die off. so if evolution happened there would be no problem with killing or raping to "evolve" or get rid of 'weak'. but no there is a problem with killing and raping, killing IS wrong, rape IS wrong. "evolution" doesn't explain why at the heart rape, killing and violence are wrong and sickening, it just comes up with illogical excuses.
Sorry but "evolution" doesn't have any logical explanation on morality, none. doesn't explain where morals come from, doesn't explain why there are objective morals. they only assume that morals aren't objective or created for survival (which they are not as I explained)
Just to be annoying:Nixon was impeached eventually, and lived the rest of his days ignominiously. The god described in the bible makes Nixon look like a saint.
P.S. I bend my knee for no one. I have rights granted to me by the U.S. constitution by virtue of my birth, and that is a right I shall never give up.
You can bend your knee to whomever you choose.
Really? really really really?"No evidence for a creator" is quite comical to me. I can name approximately 18 trillion evidences for Him,
I agree, many many many prayers don't go the way of the one praying. Counting lots of my own, but not once in my post did I say every prayer is always answered all the time,
the only leader I listen to on this matter is God, and due to his answering my prayers with "yes" so often puts me at a much better record than an 0 for 0 type count.
It's going to be something inane like the 18 trillion organisms that live on Earth...Really? really really really?
Then I'm waiting for number one...
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