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Oh wow, I didn't even realize you were British!Hey I'm Britsh, we "apologize even when its not [our] fault. Thats how it works here. Its a weird type of diffuser of angst or aggression."Top Ten Things Brits Do Better Than Americans | Smitten by Britain
Don't worry, no scalding
Oh wow, I didn't even realize you were British!
I guess when it comes to Brits I think Anglican or
something similar...
I like that... maybe I can start doing that too
very ... humble sort of thing
Top 10 things you do better LOL
Can't wait to see that list..
Hey. do you know Hugh Grant?
The CCC is affirming that God is the "true" author of the Scriptures, but it is not diminishing the role of the writers themselves
You are correct. In Catholicism, inspiration is not seen as word-for-word dictation (as even the quote I posted earlier show with Paul not remembering stuff). The Catholic document "Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" from 1994 actually criticizes "Fundamentalist" interpretation for treating the text "as if it had been dictated word for word by the Spirit. It fails to recognize that the word of God has been formulated in language and expression conditioned by various periods." (I.F.e)
I did not assume it meant dictation, so I don't think the CCC misleads. The Spirit can certainly guide a writer from teaching error without compromising the cultured theology or certain idioms of select human authors. I mean the writing styles from book to book are so different. And yes, I think you only objected semantically.The CCC may be a bit misleading on that point then. It says that the writers wrote what God wanted them to and nothing more. The most obvious conclusion to jump to is that he dictated, but I suppose it doesn't have to mean that. If that's the case, then my position is really completely unchanged and I only object semantically.
Who gets the credit for the Bible? God or man? And remember, the Bible says God wont share his glory with another.Yes.
You keep saying that. You should stop saying that.
And ............ again, two parts does not cover the whole.
Now, regarding the CCC passages: After reading the relevant passages (beyond what Mr Polo has posted), I have had to modify my own position somewhat, but not too much. I have never objected that God is the source and ultimate approver of what is in the Bible, but I do object to the way you are using the word author. Another relevant passage from the CCC, cited from Dei Verbum, is:
"106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.""
The CCC is affirming that God is the "true" author of the Scriptures, but it is not diminishing the role of the writers themselves, which is the vibe your analogies are giving me. It has a more direct view of what constitutes divine inspiration, but other than that my position was fairly close to it to begin with.
It's just that when I hear/read "God wrote the Bible," it conjures up images of human copy machines. Analogies about secretarial dictation or humans as pens don't help.
I think because of these CCC passages, we are more or less in agreement. Do you agree with the bolded parts of this statement? "God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors [...]"
Who gets the credit for the Bible? God or man? And remember, the Bible says God wont share his glory with another.
So who gets the credit? God or man?
RC is not that same church. This we know.
Like that 1950 dogma.
Would you like to know about the One, Holy, Catholic, Orthodox, and Apostolic Church now?
PS. Interesting choice of James Joyce Ulysses.
God always gets credit for everything good in my book.Who gets the credit for the Bible? God or man? And remember, the Bible says God wont share his glory with another.
So who gets the credit? God or man?
Blessed be the name of the Lord!God the Holy Ghost is the Author of Sacred Scripture.
God authored it, man wrote it.
Do you now?
The Assumption? What about it?
Coptic icon of the Dormition of the Theotokos
I would like to hear what you want to say.
I was thinking of a modern book embroiled with much controversy and many opaque passages.
Do you now?
The Assumption? What about it?
We are servants of God, not co-workers. So either God gets the credit, or man. Which one gets the credit for the Bible?Why one or the other? God works with man.
We are servants of God, not co-workers. So either God gets the credit, or man. Which one gets the credit for the Bible?
Since Paul refered to himself as Christ's "slave" rather "friend", that sentence was probably specific to the desciples, not everyone who's a Christian.Servants of God eh, so what do you make of John 15:15
"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you."
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