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The Basics of the Christian Faith

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I don't really accpet this, the hebrew word yowm could have been interpreted to mean age, or a length of time. God could have said, you will surely die in a length of time. Man didn't necessarily have to die 'spiritually' for the curse was, from dust, and to dust thou shallt return. This is a litteral death of the body. Thus we are doomed to die for our sin.
 
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On this post, I want to discuss precisely what the Reformers meant by the term sola fide. Sola fide is a reference to the idea that it's through "faith alone" that the believer is justified. Before the Reformation, there was no defined doctrine of justification in the church. It wasn't until the Reformation that the doctrine of justification first became an issue in the church. What Martin Luther and the Reformers pointed out, was that the language of justification in Scripture was used forensically. In other words, Paul's references to the believer's justification referred to an official verdict from a judge. When God declares us just, he's saying that we're "not guilty" in His sight. Since God is a holy and righteous God, the only way in which we can be declared not guilty of our sin is if our sin is not imputed to us, and instead, perfect righteousness is imputed to us. The Reformers proved from Scripture that we're declared just, because our sin was imputed to Christ, and Christ's righteousness is imputed to us. Therefore, we can have peace with God because God has declared us just based upon the imputed righteousness of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The incarnate Christ perfectly fulfilled the law of righteousness, and it's His righteousness that is "credited to our account," and not our own, since our sin renders us unrighteous.

This doctrine of imputed righteousness is not to be confused, though, with the doctrine of sanctification. The Reformers never taught that God declared us righteous and then just left us as sinful as we were before. At the moment we're justified, God begins the work of sanctification whereby we're being daily conformed to the image of Christ. It's this work of sanctification that we, as believers, are required to actively cooperate with. But in no way does anything we do or not do contribute to or detract from our justification.

To sum it up, the doctrine of sola fide refers to the doctrines of forensic justification and imputed righteousness. We're legally declared not guilty because of an alien righteousness (the righteousness of Christ, and not our own righteousness) having been credited to us through the means of genuine saving faith.
What then shall we say that Abraham our father* has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was *accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but </I>as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."*(Romans 4:1-7)
 
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Excellent post on the doctrine of justification. An excellent book on the topic is Lowell C. Green, How Melancthon Helped Luther Discover the Gospel. Greene points out that Melancthons classical language training helped Luther grasp the forensic nature of justtification.

Forensic justification alone yields assurrance of salvation since we are declared righteous based on his work FOR us, and not IN us (sanctification).
 
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A. believer said:
But in no way does anything we do or not do contribute to or detract from our justification.

I don't understand how this can be correct though.


You are contradicting this well known passage for the sake of a man made doctrine. If you throw James out, then why cannot someone throw Paul out? Then who is correct? Wouldn't both have done damage to the Bible?

This passage in James is not a contradiction. I see that it conforms to the rest of the Bible just fine.


The Gospel includes obedience. It is a sign of inward faith. This is what James is getting at. If your faith is "mental" that's great. But if faith doesn't manifest itself outwardly it is not a saving faith.


Explained beautifully above is the need to repent because we all have sinned, accept Jesus Christ because his sacrifice removes our sin, and the realization that all who believe become desiples and walk in the light (obey). How can faith alone save us if our actions deny our faith?

Titus 1:16
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

And, If our actions (either + or -) have no effect on our justification and can not lead to loss of salvation, then how can ones actions show that they deny God? ("By their fruit you will know them") And what about what Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23? Paul says that Jesus will deal out retobution to those who do not obey the Gospel. (2 Thes 1:8)

The point is simple, faith is revealed in works of obedience. We are saved by faith. If there is not an outward change as well, then we were either perfect to begin with (not possible) or we have no faith.
 
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I think that the point being made is that we cannot do the works necessary to obey without first having the faith. We know that faith without works is dead so we can conclude that the works come by the faith, and it is through those works that we see the faith that James is referring to. We do not have the capacity for these works prior to salvation so it is only through faith that we are able to accomplish them. This would mean that the works are not of ourselves as the faith is imparted by grace. This still complies with Sola Fide as the works are a result of the faith, and without the faith we are not capable of those works. It is by faith alone that we are able to do anything that pleases God, the faith imparted by grace.
 
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Arc said:
You are contradicting this well known passage for the sake of a man made doctrine. If you throw James out, then why cannot someone throw Paul out? Then who is correct? Wouldn't both have done damage to the Bible?
I would be willing to discuss this with you here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t84815&page=1

As you can see, I've already made some opening comments on the subject.

How can faith alone save us if our actions deny our faith?
Salvation and justification are two different concepts. Justification is through faith alone.

As I said earlier, I'd be willing to discuss this with you on the other thread, as I gather the OP is to post Christian truths in line with PRE, not debate them.

~Matt
 
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InquisitorKind already responded to you and graciously offered to discuss the points you brought up on another thread, and I extend to you the same offer. Although there's been some debating on this thread, that wasn't what the thread was started for, and I think it best to keep the debating to other threads.
 
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Greetings Lotar,

For what it's worth, I don't believe the lack of clarity and precision about doctrinal issues is unique to this board. It seems to me to be an unfortunate phenomenon of Internet discussion boards in general. I could wish that a little more critical thinking went before the endless reams of posts that merely repeat assertions over and over again. A little wisdom from Proverbs would go a long way here:

Proverbs 17:27 He who has knowledge spares his words, And a man of understanding is of a calm spirit.

Proverbs 29:20 Do you see a man hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

But to get to your specific questions, I will briefly write a one-line polemic for Sola Scriptura. It is my belief that any one of these points is demonstrable from Scripture, yielding the final result.

Since we are not to do what is right in our own eyes, but to heed the Word of the Lord, neither adding or taking away from it; and since the prophetic and apostolic offices have ceased with the death of the last apostle, the Scriptures are the only inerrant testimony of God’s revealed will unto us and therefore they are to be the only infallible rule for faith and life.

Okay, so its a run-on sentence, but Paul has some of the biggest run-on sentences I have ever seen, so I have some good company.

Blessings Lotar,

~Jason
 
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Good day, Jason

"Since we are not to do what is right in our own eyes, but to heed the Word of the Lord, neither adding or taking away from it; and since the prophetic and apostolic offices have ceased with the death of the last apostle, the Scriptures are the only inerrant testimony of God’s revealed will unto us and therefore they are to be the only infallible rule for faith and life."


Great quote it is yours? Also I see here that the word used to describe the Scripture is inerrant and not infallible why is that? I know in the present day these two words are interchangable, but I have heard some try to explain their the distict qualities of each of them and often get confused by this.

Thank you,

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Hi Bill,

There is no profound reason for using inerrant in place of infallible, except that sometimes I have seen people get confused with infallible by making it overly subjective (that is, confusing ones ability to misinterpret Scripture with Scripture itself being incapable of error). By using inerrant, I thought that I could better point to its objective qualities, even though infallible would work just as well.

Thanks, and you're very welcome.

~Jason
 
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