What I deny my friend is that she is called Mary the Mother of G-d....that is something you have added because of the doctrine you have been taught....anyway you can easily prove me wrong by quoting any Scripture that says Mary is the Mother of G-d.
Historically whenever the Jews would write out the scriptures, they sang the verses and replaced all references to God, as Adonai which means Lord.
Assuming you understand that since you omit the o in God, it is rather along the same lines.
For them it was fear of blasphemy to even say the name, so singing it was impossible and so they replaced God with Lord....and Elizabeth is Jewish, so she said Lord, and not God.
But she was referring to God because she was filled with the Holy Spirit.
I'm afraid that is incorrect...I don't know where you get your information.
The Jews NEVER replaced all references to G-d with the word Adonai...what they did was when YHVH (Yahweh or Jehovah) was written, they copied it exactly as written...to do less would be to alter the Word of G-d...but when it came to
reading aloud the word YHVH they would substitute it with the word Adonai. When I am with Orthodox Jews, and even secular Jews, I tend to use the word HaShem (the name) as even using the word Adonai can seem unrighteous outside of a religious function.
When you look at the Greek, you see a distinction between the word Kurios and Theos...Kurios was not a substitution for Theos....as I have shown before using the Hebrew, no written word was ever substituted, so your argument is invalid.
Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?
Psalm 34:1 I will bless the LORD at all times;
His praise shall continually be in my mouth.
2 My soul will make its boast in the LORD;
The humble will hear it and rejoice. 3 O magnify the LORD with me,
And let us exalt His name together.
Psalm 69:30 I will praise the name of God with song
And magnify Him with thanksgiving.
Its not my fault you have a corrupted translation.
The version i use is rather old.
Magnify the Lord with me?
Thats a new one....very new.
Oh I see...it's the old 'corrupted translation argument now'
In Hebrew the word 'magnify' comes from translating the root word 'gadal'...it can also mean 'promote', which in this day and age I think gives a better sense of the intent....so how you reason that I use a corrupted translation is worrying.
Mary was foreknown in the mind and plans of G-d....but she was neither sinless nor pre-saved.
According to the Greek the Greeting from the Angel meant previously graced in a manner unlike us, which has never been used again, she was.
Scholars had to tear apart its actual verb and adjective meaning because the word is too unique.
She had a condition of where she had been a finished product of grace when Gabriel met her. It was unique to her this special priviledge.
And it goes beyond 'highly favored' too...
But thats the best the English can come up with.
I think I understand what you are saying....and it could well be that we have lost something in translation regarding the depth of grace and favour that G-d placed on Mary, and the complete uniqueness of her calling.
See Judges 5:24 "Most blessed of women is Jael, The wife of Heber the Kenite; Most blessed is she of women in the tent.
Try reading what has become known as the Beatitudes.
Matthew 5:1 When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. ..................
Really? See above explanation.
The Greeting is unique to Mary and it goes beyond having graces.
It essectially is giving her the graces that save as a past condition, a present condition and a future condition as though Christs death had already merited it to her.
Now you've lost me. Mary was not pre-saved or sinless....in her unique position, her Son was also her Saviour.
AND you cannot deny it, because Elijah stood in the glorified body , and Moses when Peter, James and John saw them with Jesus.
HOW?
God works out side of time.
Stop putting Him in human boxes.
So are you confident that both Moses and Elijah had ressurected bodies, and that what happened wasn't part of a vision that Peter, James and John were granted to see?
It's funny so telling me not to put G-d in human boxes....because so much of what I disagree with amongst my Catholoic and Orthodox friends relies almost wholly on man-made boxes.
I don't think any other person that has ever lived could have been given the gift and the responsibility that Mary had....to carry the Saviour in her womb, to give birth to Him, and to have charge over Him in His most vulnerable and formative years....That is truly amazing, that is why every generation should recognize what a blessed woman she was.
She is not some fictional Queen,we don't need to place on her man-made titles to demonstrate her position...Scripture doesn't, the Apostles don't and neither should we.
Your failure to understand the OT - does not negate her exalted position in Heaven.
I guess I'm a bit thick sometimes.
Luke 14:7 And He began speaking a parable to the invited guests when He noticed how they had been picking out the places of honor at the table, saying to them, 8 When you are invited by someone to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for someone more distinguished than you may have been invited by him, 9 and he who invited you both will come and say to you, Give your place to this man, and then in disgrace you proceed to occupy the last place. 10 But when you are invited, go and recline at the last place, so that when the one who has invited you comes, he may say to you, Friend, move up higher; then you will have honor in the sight of all who are at the table with you. 11 For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
SO you are accusing her of exalting herself?
You simply dont comprehend the variety of grace God had on Mary and it was not common.
Grace caused her to speak as such.
Even the babe in the womb leapt at her voice.
If she was doing evil by her speaking, there would have been a comment to it.
Its in scriptures and it was said for the purpose of our understanding her exalted position.
She was exalted, and envy of that wont change her position with God.
I really don't know what you mean about envy...who's envious and why?
No I am not accusing Mary of exalting herself....that has to be a daft question....I am trying to show that others(those that initiated these doctrines) have exalted her to a position she cannot possible hold, and in doing so have created a different Mary to the woman described in Scripture....one that emerges from the futility of darkened minds...eg. Bad teaching, poor theology, unbiblical reasoning.
Matt 10: 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Mary - and i dont think i do much else but waste my time here honestly, was unlike us.
The grace variety she received was unlike ours.
AS the first Christian - she believed in our Savior perfectly and before anyone else and remained faithful.
That in itself shows Christ didnt have to have a problem with His Mother.... because she didnt disbelieve in Him, hence your scripture is out of context.
That verse suggests if you leave Him because of family, then you love them more.
To simplify things.
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Now my friend...I don't want you to feel you are wasting your time here...and if you do, I'm sure you are free to dis-engage at any time...I won't be offended, honest. If you produce a good argument, I will give it my utmost consideration...but if you produce weak arguments and shaky facts, then I will say so...surely that is fair?
What I was trying to show you by using this verse (and it would need to be by the revelation of the Spirit) was how we can still put others before G-d....even His mother.