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The Apostles Creed

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The Apostles' Creed



The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;

the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

http://www.reformed.org/documents/i...ww.reformed.org/documents/apostles_creed.html
 

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The Apostles' Creed




The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

http://www.reformed.org/documents/i...ww.reformed.org/documents/apostles_creed.html



Communion of Saints

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The Communion of Saints (in Latin, communio sanctorum) is the spiritual union of all Christians living and the dead, those on earth, in heaven and, in Catholic belief, in purgatory. They share a single "mystical body", with Christ as the head, in which each member contributes to the good of all and shares in the welfare of all.

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The Apostles' Creed (Latin: Symbolum Apostolorum or Symbolum Apostolicum), sometimes titled Symbol of the Apostles, is an early statement of Christian belief, a creed or "symbol". It is widely used by a number of Christian denominations for both liturgical and catechetical purposes, most visibly by liturgical Churches of Western tradition, including the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, Lutheranism, the Anglican Communion, and Western Orthodoxy. It is also used by Presbyterians, Methodists, and Congregationalists.

The theological specifics of this creed appear to have been originally formulated as a refutation of Gnosticism, an early heresy. This can be seen in almost every phrase. For example, the creed states that Christ, Jesus, was born, suffered, and died on the cross. This seems to be a statement directly against the heretical teaching that Christ only appeared to become man and that he did not truly suffer and die but only appeared to do so. The Apostles' Creed, as well as other baptismal creeds, is esteemed as an example of the apostles' teachings and a defense of the Gospel of Christ.

The name of the Creed comes from the probably fifth-century legend that, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit after Pentecost, each of the Twelve Apostles dictated part of it. It is traditionally divided into twelve articles.

Because of its early origin, it does not address some Christological issues defined in the later Nicene and other Christian Creeds. It thus says nothing explicitly about the divinity of either Jesus or of the Holy Spirit. This makes it acceptable to many Arians and Unitarians. Nor does it address many other theological questions that became objects of dispute centuries later.


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There is actually some debate over what the Latin means. We are more accustomed in English to here "communion of the saints (meaning holy people)" but it could just as easily mean "communion in the holy things" (probably in reference to the Lord's Supper). "The forgiveness of sins" probably has reference to baptism as it is expanded in the Nicene Creed to more explicitly say "one baptism for the remission of sins."

Rufinus is the earliest church father to give a commentary on the Apostle's Creed: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2711.htm "The communion of the saints" was added later so he did not comment on it. He doesn't say anything about purgatory or communion with the dead. He lists the canon of Scripture which actually corresponds pretty closely to the Protestant canon and regards the apocryphal books as being ecclesiastical but not canonical. In regards to the church herself, he writes:
39. We come next in the order of belief to the Holy Church. We have mentioned above why the Creed does not say here, as in the preceding article, In the Holy Church. They, therefore, who were taught above to believe in one God, under the mystery of the Trinity, must believe this also, that there is one holy Church in which there is one faith and one baptism, in which is believed one God the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ, His Son, and one Holy Ghost. This is that holy Church which is without spot or wrinkle. For many others have gathered together Churches, as Marcion, and Valentinus, and Ebion, and Manichæus, and Arius, and all the other heretics. But those Churches are not without spot or wrinkle of unfaithfulness. And therefore the Prophet said of them, I hate the Church of the malignants, and I will not sit with the ungodly. But of this Church which keeps the faith of Christ entire, hear what the Holy Spirit says in the Canticles, My dove is one; the perfect one of her mother is one. He then who receives this faith in the Church let him not turn aside in the Council of vanity, and let him not enter in with those who practise iniquity.

For Marcion's assembly is a Council of vanity in that he denies that the Father of Christ is God, the Creator, who by His Son made the world. Ebion's is a Council of vanity since he teaches that, while we believe in Christ, we are withal to observe the circumcision of the flesh, the keeping of the Sabbath, the accustomed sacrifices, and all the other ordinances according to the letter of the Law. Manichæus' is a Council of vanity in regard of his teaching; first in that he calls himself the Paraclete, then that he says that the world was made by an evil God, denies God the Creator, rejects the Old Testament, asserts two natures, one good the other evil, mutually opposing one another, affirms that men's souls are co-eternal with God, that, according to the Pythagoreans, they return through various circles of nativity into cattle and animals and beasts, denies the resurrection of our flesh, maintains that the passion and nativity of the Lord were not in the verity of flesh, but only in appearance. It was the Council of vanity when Paul of Samosata and his successor Photinus afterwards taught, that Christ was not born of the Father before the world, but had His beginning from Mary, and believed not that being God He was born man, but that of man He was made God. It was the Council of vanity when Arius and Eunomius taught as their determinate opinion that the Son of God was not born of the very substance of the Father, but was created out of nothing, and that the Son of God had a beginning, and is inferior to the Father: moreover they affirm that the Holy Ghost is not only inferior to the Son, but is also a ministering Spirit. Theirs also is a Council of vanity who confess indeed that the Son is of the substance of the Father, but distinguish and separate the Holy Spirit, while yet the Saviour shows in the Gospel that the power and Godhead of the Trinity are one and the same, saying, Baptize all nations in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and it is plainly impious for man to put asunder what God has joined together. That also is the Council of vanity which a pertinacious and wicked contention formerly gathered together, affirming that Christ assumed human flesh indeed, but not a rational soul withal, since Christ conferred one and the same salvation on the flesh, and the animal soul, and the reason and mind of man. That also is the Council of vanity which Donatus drew together throughout Africa, by charging the Church with traditorship (delivering up the sacred books), and with which Novatus disturbed men's minds by denying the grant of repentance to the lapsed, and condemning second marriages, though contracted possibly of necessity. All of these then avoid as congregations of malignants. Those also, if such there be, who are said to assert that the Son of God does not see or know the Father, as Himself is known and seen by the Father; or that the kingdom of Christ will have an end; or that the flesh will not be raised in the complete restoration of its substance; these also who deny that there will be a just judgment of God in respect of all, and affirm that the devil will be absolved from the punishment of damnation due to him. To all these, I say, let the believer turn a deaf ear. But hold fast by the holy Church, which confesses God the Father Almighty, and His only Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, and the Holy Ghost, of one concordant and harmonious substance, believes that the Son of God was born of the Virgin, suffered for man's salvation, rose again from the dead in the same flesh in which he was born; and, lastly, hopes that He will come the Judge of all, through Whom also both the Forgiveness of Sins and the Resurrection of the Flesh are preached.
 
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Wildboar beat me to it but communio sanctorum is literally "fellowship of (the) holies".

It is true that sanctorum can and does mean "of the saints" as well but Latin does not distinguish between sancti as holy persons or sancti as holy (things or even practices). The context will usually define it, but here the context is not very helpful.

What's interesting is that even if we concede (for the sake of discussion) that the usage is in fact a reference to Christians who have gone on to their reward, Protestants can still sincerely confess this since communio does not primarily refer to "communication" or an exchange of information, but to a fellowship. As such, communio is actually closer to the modern word "community".

The expression speaks far more clearly to an identification of the church as a whole, transcending history and the death of the body; it is saying that we confess a church which is made up of those who still struggle (ecclesia militans) as well as those who have gone to their rest (ecclesia triumphans) and that we are one eternal community or fellowship.

There is no idea here that this means that we can petition dead Christians to intercede for us.

So, when that Reformed or may I say it, Lutheran Christian confesses his faith in the communion of the saints he or she is saying that the church is not bound by time or by the mere corruption of flesh but transcends it, extending even unto glory.
 
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Other good Protestants already made the points...

Yes, Protestants passionately believe in the communion of saints. We also believe in the one holy catholic church. That doesn't mean that we affirm that the Roman Catholic denomination was founded by Jesus or is infallible/unaccountable or the only "true" denomination and all others are false and invalid. And Protestants do not capitolize the adjective "catholic" in the Creed since in modern English, that might imply that it's the proper name of an institution.


Thank you.


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Insisting that Protestants unknowingly affirm The Catholic Church because they confess the catholic church in the creed is a bit like saying Republicans are all secretly Democrats because they believe in democracy.


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It still bothers me that the LCMS says "Christian Church" in its version of the creed rather that "catholic".

It's just odd and out of place. I have a hard time believing that it's just an effort to differentiate us from the (Roman) Catholic Church, we've done a pretty good job of that elsewhere.


My LCMS church has "catholic" in the Creed. But, as I understand it, in the hymnal (and I don't have one), it says "Christian" in the main text with and "*" and in the footnote, it says "catholic, meaning all Christians" for something like that. My pastor explained to me that a lot of pastors just got tired of CONSTANTLY explaining that "catholic" means "all Christians" to every single new worshipper and so requested the publisher to just say "Christian" in the Creed. I have nothing agaist that (in a sense, it may be considered an English translation of the Latin word), but my pastor (a former Catholic) told me he doesn't like "messing" with the Creeds and so just does the explaining. I have no problems either way. To ME, the "problem" comes when "Catholic" is used, implying in modern English grammar a proper name rather than an adjective.




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