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The Apostle Paul was a tentmaker
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Bruce101 said:
That is what I have found in my searching too. According to what I've read, they were not tents to live in but Tallit.
TALITH contains two Hebrew words: TAL meaning tent and ITH meaning little. Thus, it is LITTLE TENT.
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Bruce101 said:
No I don't have one but they are beautiful.
In the wilderness Moses set up a tabernacle (tent) of meeting according to the command of God. When the two silver trumpets wer blown the people assembled there. Obviously two and a half million Israelite men could not fit into it. Therefore, what they had were their own private sanctuaries where they could meet with God. Each man had his own little tent - his tallit.
They would pull it up over their head, forming a tent, where they would begin to pray and sing. Here they would call upon the name of God. It was an intimate, private place set apart from everyone else. A time totally focused upon Him. This was their prayer closet!
Balaam, in Numbers 24:5, who had come to curse Israel exclaimed as he looked down upon the camps and saw the assembly: "How lovely are your tents, O Jacob! Your dwellings, O Israel!"
Thats just SOME of what I've gleaned.
I'll share more later.
What are some other thoughts?
They would pull it up over their head, forming a tent, where they would begin to pray and sing. Here they would call upon the name of God. It was an intimate, private place set apart from everyone else. A time totally focused upon Him. This was their prayer closet!
Balaam, in Numbers 24:5, who had come to curse Israel exclaimed as he looked down upon the camps and saw the assembly: "How lovely are your tents, O Jacob! Your dwellings, O Israel!"
Thats just SOME of what I've gleaned.
I'll share more later. What are some other thoughts?
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Greetings from Israel!
I hope I can help the discussion with what little knowledge I have of the subject.
As far as I know, Tallit does not mean a tent in Hebrew. The word Tallit originally meant "gown" or "cloak", and today is used for the Prayer Shawl.
The word Tent has another Hebrew translation - "Chuppah", which means a mobile cover. Today, a Chuppah is the word used for the Jewish wedding canopy (which is many times made of a Tallit and four posts), under which a Jewish couple gets married. It simbolyzes the house (or tent) under which the couple is going to live together.
I hope this is helping in any way...
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I hope I can help the discussion with what little knowledge I have of the subject.
As far as I know, Tallit does not mean a tent in Hebrew. The word Tallit originally meant "gown" or "cloak", and today is used for the Prayer Shawl.
The word Tent has another Hebrew translation - "Chuppah", which means a mobile cover. Today, a Chuppah is the word used for the Jewish wedding canopy (which is many times made of a Tallit and four posts), under which a Jewish couple gets married. It simbolyzes the house (or tent) under which the couple is going to live together.
I hope this is helping in any way...
Oren
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Paul made tabernacles out of tents and people - the way the disciples were fishermen and fishers of men.
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Oren said:
I appreciate your input Oren...What I read was not saying "tallit" meant tent but that "Talith contains two Hebrew words: Tal meaning tent and ith meaning little". Is that incorrect?
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Quaffer, that's lovely - a private tent of prayer!
A friend of mine always covers her head and face with a light scarf when praying alone. I tried it once or twice, might do so again now. It did seem to focus me. I'd forgotten that. Thanks!
Blessings, Susana
A friend of mine always covers her head and face with a light scarf when praying alone. I tried it once or twice, might do so again now. It did seem to focus me. I'd forgotten that. Thanks!
Blessings, Susana
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Another cool thing:
it is taught also that HaShem enwraps Himself in a talit. Whereas ours is made of cloth, His is made of light:
Tehillim (Psalm) 104:1-2 Bless HaShem, O my soul. HaShem my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest [thyself] with light as [with] a garment: who stretches out the heavens like a curtain:
The purpose of the tzitzith was to remind us of the 613 mitzvot of HaShem. We also said that the numerical value of the word tzitzith is 600; when we add the eight strings and five double knots we arrive at a total of 613 - a reminder of the 613 Torah commandments.
This suggests that the Tzitzith = Torah. Now we know from previous studies that Mashiach = Torah. We can also see this concept embodied in:
Yochanan (John) 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Therefore, we can conclude that:
This suggests that Ha Shem enwraps Himself in His Mashiach who is light:
Mishle (Proverbs) 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:
and.....
The Torah tells us that the tzitzith are to be on the four corners:
Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four corners of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest [thyself].
What is interesting is that the Hebrew word for corners, ,upbf (kanfot), is the same Hebrew word translated as wings in:
Shemot (Exodus) 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
This same word, kanfot, is also translated as wings when it belongs to a HaShem:
Rut (Ruth) 2:12 HaShem recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of HaShem God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.
This same word, kanfot, is also translated as wings when it belongs to a man:
Rut (Ruth) 3:9 And he said, Who [art] thou? And she answered, I [am] Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou [art] a near kinsman.
Thus we learn that the talits corners are also known as wings. When viewed from behind, the talit makes the man appear as if he has wings folded against his back.
These wings, according to the Prophet, have healing associated with them:
Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
This healing we will see again in the Nazarean Codicil.
The four corners of the talit are also the four corners of the earth:
Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
There is a sense that when we take hold of the four tzitzith on the corners of the talit that we are taking hold of the four corners of the earth. This connection is effectively made for us in the words of the Siddur, in the shacharit service:
At this point we gather the four corners of ourtalit, the tzitzith, and hold them in one hand, in preparation for the Shema. This signifies the coming together of the four corners of the earth. This is also an expression of the complete unification of God. The Shema is also an affirmation of God's oneness.
Again, we find our word for the corners of the talit to be the same Hebrew word for the four corners of the earth kanfot, in the above pasuk from Yeshayahu.
The link to the site I got this from is: http://www.thewatchman.net/tzitzith.html I don't know that everything on there is good or not but I found the info interesting. It puts a bit of a new light on certain scriptures.
it is taught also that HaShem enwraps Himself in a talit. Whereas ours is made of cloth, His is made of light:
Tehillim (Psalm) 104:1-2 Bless HaShem, O my soul. HaShem my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest [thyself] with light as [with] a garment: who stretches out the heavens like a curtain:
The purpose of the tzitzith was to remind us of the 613 mitzvot of HaShem. We also said that the numerical value of the word tzitzith is 600; when we add the eight strings and five double knots we arrive at a total of 613 - a reminder of the 613 Torah commandments.
This suggests that the Tzitzith = Torah. Now we know from previous studies that Mashiach = Torah. We can also see this concept embodied in:
Yochanan (John) 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Therefore, we can conclude that:
Tzitzith = Torah = Mashiach
This suggests that Ha Shem enwraps Himself in His Mashiach who is light:
Mishle (Proverbs) 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:
and.....
Four Corners - Wings
The Torah tells us that the tzitzith are to be on the four corners:
Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four corners of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest [thyself].
What is interesting is that the Hebrew word for corners, ,upbf (kanfot), is the same Hebrew word translated as wings in:
Shemot (Exodus) 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
This same word, kanfot, is also translated as wings when it belongs to a HaShem:
Rut (Ruth) 2:12 HaShem recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of HaShem God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.
This same word, kanfot, is also translated as wings when it belongs to a man:
Rut (Ruth) 3:9 And he said, Who [art] thou? And she answered, I [am] Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou [art] a near kinsman.
Thus we learn that the talits corners are also known as wings. When viewed from behind, the talit makes the man appear as if he has wings folded against his back.
These wings, according to the Prophet, have healing associated with them:
Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
This healing we will see again in the Nazarean Codicil.
The four corners of the talit are also the four corners of the earth:
Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
There is a sense that when we take hold of the four tzitzith on the corners of the talit that we are taking hold of the four corners of the earth. This connection is effectively made for us in the words of the Siddur, in the shacharit service:
and gather us in peace from
the four corners of the earth.
At this point we gather the four corners of ourtalit, the tzitzith, and hold them in one hand, in preparation for the Shema. This signifies the coming together of the four corners of the earth. This is also an expression of the complete unification of God. The Shema is also an affirmation of God's oneness.
Again, we find our word for the corners of the talit to be the same Hebrew word for the four corners of the earth kanfot, in the above pasuk from Yeshayahu.
The link to the site I got this from is: http://www.thewatchman.net/tzitzith.html I don't know that everything on there is good or not but I found the info interesting. It puts a bit of a new light on certain scriptures.
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have you or anyone in here, ever asked your-self why was paul a tent-maker ??
why would someone who wrote more than half the books of the new testament cannon of scriptures-choose to hold down a regular society job ??
paul could have very easily been " full-time" in the ministry...could he not ??
this is a man who undoubtedly had a phenomenal knowledge of scriptures, and also knew the author of those scriptures in a very profound and deep way i might add !!
so then the question begs......why did the great man of god, choose to hold down a regular day-time occupation, and not live off the gifts and offerings of the saints....like most ministries today do ??
the apostle paul after spending 1000 days of learning at the very foot of the cross ( galations chapter 1 ) could foresee that he was going to have many enemies, many detractor's, many a persecutor, and consequently knowing this in advance and knowing he had been entrusted to take the gospel to the gentile nations, choose to work and not live off "offering's, cuz, he paul did not want to give the heathen, nor his enemies, one single thing whereby they could accuse the gospel falsely, nor find any such fault with him, nor the gospel message and proclamation he was to deliver to them !!
this is the same paul that "effectively" stood in the office of an "apostleship", and had met jesus supernaturally on the way to damascus, and recieved the gospel and new teatament, by divine revelation !! and so for all intents and purposes paul could have easily have chosen to live by faith, and recieve love gifts and financial support from god's elect, if he so wanted too !!
but he refrained from doing so, even though it was spiritually and technically his right to live in such a way. However paul had been entrusted with such an awesome mission from god to go to the gentile nations, that he did not want to give devils, enemies, false brethren, even one single opportunity to acccuse falsely, to blaspheme, reproach or denigrate this open door and passage god was about to open up to him, so he effective closed this door to potential slander and gossip amongst those who would have unruly tongues and seek to undermine his message !!!
now just to summarize, and temper, and balance out this post....of course people called to five-fold office gifts, can exercise their perogative in god, to live by faith and support themselves and their families in this way !
for each man has his own gift and calling in the lord amen and amen !!
the great apostle also exercised his calling to hold down a regular day job and occupation, albeit he could have easily have exercised his right in god to live by faith, but he simply chose not to, reasons are as outlined above in what was you just read.
good to see you all again saints !!!
blessing's,
from amorosi
why would someone who wrote more than half the books of the new testament cannon of scriptures-choose to hold down a regular society job ??
paul could have very easily been " full-time" in the ministry...could he not ??
this is a man who undoubtedly had a phenomenal knowledge of scriptures, and also knew the author of those scriptures in a very profound and deep way i might add !!
so then the question begs......why did the great man of god, choose to hold down a regular day-time occupation, and not live off the gifts and offerings of the saints....like most ministries today do ??
the apostle paul after spending 1000 days of learning at the very foot of the cross ( galations chapter 1 ) could foresee that he was going to have many enemies, many detractor's, many a persecutor, and consequently knowing this in advance and knowing he had been entrusted to take the gospel to the gentile nations, choose to work and not live off "offering's, cuz, he paul did not want to give the heathen, nor his enemies, one single thing whereby they could accuse the gospel falsely, nor find any such fault with him, nor the gospel message and proclamation he was to deliver to them !!
this is the same paul that "effectively" stood in the office of an "apostleship", and had met jesus supernaturally on the way to damascus, and recieved the gospel and new teatament, by divine revelation !! and so for all intents and purposes paul could have easily have chosen to live by faith, and recieve love gifts and financial support from god's elect, if he so wanted too !!
but he refrained from doing so, even though it was spiritually and technically his right to live in such a way. However paul had been entrusted with such an awesome mission from god to go to the gentile nations, that he did not want to give devils, enemies, false brethren, even one single opportunity to acccuse falsely, to blaspheme, reproach or denigrate this open door and passage god was about to open up to him, so he effective closed this door to potential slander and gossip amongst those who would have unruly tongues and seek to undermine his message !!!
now just to summarize, and temper, and balance out this post....of course people called to five-fold office gifts, can exercise their perogative in god, to live by faith and support themselves and their families in this way !
for each man has his own gift and calling in the lord amen and amen !!
the great apostle also exercised his calling to hold down a regular day job and occupation, albeit he could have easily have exercised his right in god to live by faith, but he simply chose not to, reasons are as outlined above in what was you just read.
good to see you all again saints !!!
blessing's,
from amorosi
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Just two additions to my previous post, if I may...
Regarding this issue ("Talith contains two Hebrew words: Tal meaning tent and ith meaning little") - The word Tal in Hebrew actually means Dew. I am not sure if the word Tallith is derived from that meaning, but I could not find anywhere where it says that Tal means tent...
Regarding another issue ("Paul could have very easily been "full-time" in the ministry...could he not ??") - I would just say that in ancient times, one needed to be either a Cohen or a Levi in order to be in the ministry. Being a Cohen or a Levi means being a member of the Levi tribe, which means that you can only be born into it. I do not know if Paul was a member of that tribe or not... But maybe he was a tent maker before he met with Christ?
Forgive me for showing so basic knowledge of Christianity...
Regarding this issue ("Talith contains two Hebrew words: Tal meaning tent and ith meaning little") - The word Tal in Hebrew actually means Dew. I am not sure if the word Tallith is derived from that meaning, but I could not find anywhere where it says that Tal means tent...
Regarding another issue ("Paul could have very easily been "full-time" in the ministry...could he not ??") - I would just say that in ancient times, one needed to be either a Cohen or a Levi in order to be in the ministry. Being a Cohen or a Levi means being a member of the Levi tribe, which means that you can only be born into it. I do not know if Paul was a member of that tribe or not... But maybe he was a tent maker before he met with Christ?
Forgive me for showing so basic knowledge of Christianity...
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ancient times also saw an old-covenant in god....changed to a new and better covenant in the new -testament !!Oren said:
the law and the prophets were up until john...since that time...the kingdom of heaven is preached...and everyone presseth into it !!
the new covenant sees many of the old ordinances and rituals done away with !!
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