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I'm old enough to remember the state and condition of this nation LONG before we ever made it to the moon, and my degrees and life experiences have brought about the character of a man who refuses to stoop to your level of stick poking of others to prod them into falling head-long into your ditch. (grin)
You are funny. A single one of your posts contains more ad hominems than I use in a year, yet you accuse me of "stick poking". A certain level of civility is required before a serious discussion can take place. Are you willing to do that?
Indeed? So calling your claims about me as being no more than assumptions is some sort of "ad hominem" in your books? You might want to read up on the definition of ad hominem.
It all sounds worse when pulled out of context as to what those responses were addressing.
Define "participating". What does "participating" look like in your opinion?Do you deny that the institutional model does not promote everyone participating in the church service on Sundays?
In corporate worship? Never. In group Bible studies? Frequently.When is the last time you saw everyone share by having a psalm/song, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation?
Good thing they're done then, eh?The verse states that all of these are done for edification and by implication when these things are not done, the church remains unedified.
As a Catholic, my worship is done in a liturgical model. Well, Protestants have a liturgy too, I suppose. But my Church is willing to put theirs in writing. So whatevs.The paid professional might do this but highly unlikely as the institutional church services are led by the order of service as dictated by the printed church bulletin instead of the leading of the Holy Spirit. (Staff Edit)
Problem is the way in which mass (and most Protestant services) are conducted contradicts Paul's specific instructions in 1 Cor 14:26 as to what to do WHENEVER the body of Christ gathers to meet.Define "participating". What does "participating" look like in your opinion?
In corporate worship? Never. In group Bible studies? Frequently.
Good thing they're done then, eh?
As a Catholic, my worship is done in a liturgical model. Well, Protestants have a liturgy too, I suppose. But my Church is willing to put theirs in writing. So whatevs.
My point is that Mass is not really the place for what you describe. It is for hearing readings from Sacred Scripture, listening to the homily and receiving the Blessed Sacrament. The edification you can't seem to stop talking about can and does happen in other settings. Mass is simply not the place for that in most cases.
St. Paul's "clear instructions" should not necessarily be assumed to apply to worship.Problem is the way in which mass (and most Protestant services) are conducted contradicts Paul's specific instructions
There are other passages of scripture, you know.in 1 Cor 14:26
Does CAPITALIZING a word somehow give your interpretation of the passage some kind of extra authority? If so, why not bold and CAPITALIZE the word? You know, for extra emphasis. Or something, idk.as to what to do WHENEVER the body of Christ gathers to meet.
I rely on Sacred Tradition to recognize Sacred Scripture. You do as well. The difference between you and me is that I recognize that the canon you cling comes from Sacred Tradition.Are you relying on tradition or Scripture?
Whenever you meet means whenever in English. You choose to redefine it for your convenience. Whenever you meet for worship, you are bound by Paul's instructions; not your own traditions.St. Paul's "clear instructions" should not necessarily be assumed to apply to worship.
There are other passages of scripture, you know.
Does CAPITALIZING a word somehow give your interpretation of the passage some kind of extra authority? If so, why not bold and CAPITALIZE the word? You know, for extra emphasis. Or something, idk.
I rely on Sacred Tradition to recognize Sacred Scripture. You do as well. The difference between you and me is that I recognize that the canon you cling comes from Sacred Tradition.
Careful. Don't add to scripture so that it says what you want it to say.Whenever you meet for worship
Don't you worship whenever you meet for mass? Be careful. Don't add to scripture by your own traditions.Careful. Don't add to scripture so that it says what you want it to say.
It would go better if such phrases were absent all together. If we can proceed that way, would you allow me to put forth an example for discussion?
Would you agree parents have a responsibility to feed their children? Do you think that is something most people throughout society would agree is a responsibility?
Don't you worship whenever you meet for mass? Be careful. Don't add to scripture by your own traditions.
We can hop-skip over details to try and get to the gist
That doesn't make us superior per se, and the lack of buildings and professional staffing doesn't make institutionalism superior.
You've said similar things several times. But all you've mentioned are the positive aspects of your approach and the negative aspect of other approaches. Have you experienced any difficulties with your approach? Do you see any benefits to institutions?
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