The 5 stages

[Douggg]

The person who becomes the Antichrist will go through 5 stages on the way to his destruction. The numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the chart shows the transition points through those 5 stages.

1. as the little person, leader over a group of ten EU leaders.
2. as the prince that shall come into middle east/Israel following the Gog/Magog event.
3. as the Antichrist, perceived as the King of Israel messiah by the Jews (for a while).
4. as the revealed man of sin, end of stage 3, the Jews will reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.
5. as the beast of Revelation 13, of whom the statue image will be made of him and placed on temple mount as the AOD (abomination of desolation).

 

[Douggg]

As further enhancement to your understanding, I added another feature to the chart that shows the "tribulation of those days" a term found in Matthew 24:29.

Matthew 24:29 describes the changes to the sun, moon, stars, that will take place during the sixth seal in Revelation 6. What it will be about is the appearance of the Son of Man - Jesus - to everyone living on the earth.

It will send terror into the wicked men of the earth. Who in reaction will gather their armies at Armageddon for 45 days to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

 

[Fisherking]

The person who becomes the Antichrist will go through 5 stages on the way to his destruction. The numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the chart shows the transition points through those 5 stages.

1. as the little person, leader over a group of ten EU leaders.

The 5 stages is just a subjective opinion, but I'll go with it.

He is called a Little Horn (power) because the Last Beast is man, he never passes his kingdom on.

2. as the prince that shall come into middle east/Israel following the Gog/Magog event.

He probably follows Gog and Magog but that wat might still be going on at the pre trib. rapture.

3. as the Antichrist, perceived as the King of Israel messiah by the Jews (for a while).

This never happens, him being the King over Israel is just your erroneous interpretation my friend. Israel will simply join the E.U. this is how the AC gets political sway, he makes an "Agreement" which is what Israel joining the E.U. would be, an official agreement. When Alaska joined the USA it was via an official agreement (Covenant in Hebrew). Think logically, how could the AC ever conquer a Nuclear Israel swiftly? He couldn't, but if Israel joins the E.U. ad gives up their Nukes, as we would require of any state that joined us, lets say Greenland joined the USA and had Nukes, the authority over them would have to given to the Federal Government of the USA. Likewise the E.U. will demand this authority also. So, my best hunch is the Gog and Magog was sees God killing 5/6 of Gog & Magog's Armies, and this Anti-Christ E.U. President will claim he used a "secret weapon" to help Israel out since Israel could not Nuke the Armies on their own holy mountain. But . God by fire destroys them, just like God made Jesus' path straight, he will do the same with the AC. Also, by wiping out 5/6 of Russia, Turkey and Iran's Armies, that makes the AC path much easier. The 1260 Asteroid will take out the USA via fires and tidal waves on the west coast as the asteroid hits in the Pacific Ocean. Now he is free to go forth conquering.

4. as the revealed man of sin, end of stage 3, the Jews will reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.

He will only be revealed when he goes forth Conquering at the 1260 middle of the week. He will never be their King, he is the E.U. President. Did the UK ever consider the E.U. President as their King? Of course not.

5. as the beast of Revelation 13, of whom the statue image will be made of him and placed on temple mount as the AOD (abomination of desolation).

Yes, but its the 1290 (day 1230) not the 1335 (day 1185) the 1335 is the day the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God. And thus since the AC only goes forth on day 1260, the middle of the week. or 30 days after the 1290 (1230) then the AoD can not be the AC but is instead his sidekick, a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes. Reread Rev. 13 the 2nd Beast gets the people to make an image unto the Beast.

Matthew 24:29 describes the changes to the sun, moon, stars, that will take place during the sixth seal in Revelation 6. What it will be about is the appearance of the Son of Man - Jesus - to everyone living on the earth.

True, except the Seals are Prophetic Utterances by Jesus, not actual Events. The Seals all come to pass but only after the Trumps start, thus Trumps 1-4 is ONE EVENT and steroid Impact and Trump #4 is where the6th Seal Prophesy comes to pass.

 

[Douggg]

He will only be revealed when he goes forth Conquering at the 1260 middle of the week. He will never be their King, he is the E.U. President. Did the UK ever consider the E.U. President as their King? Of course not.

The man of sin reveals himself as such by sitting in the temple of God, claiming that he is God.

2Thessalonians2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This never happens, him being the King over Israel is just your erroneous interpretation my friend.

The Jews are looking for their messiah (someone they believe as other than Jesus).

The Jews hold that the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel. And if you look at Mark 15:32, that belief existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Israel will simply join the E.U. this is how the AC gets political sway, he makes an "Agreement" which is what Israel joining the E.U.

There is no biblical basis that Israel will join the EU. What is you basis for that opinion ?

The covenant to be confirmed in Daniel 9:27 for a 7 year period will be the Mt. Sinai covenant, in the method Moses described in Deuteronomy 31:9-31.

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btw, we can disagree. Nothing personal.

 

[Fisherking]

The man of sin reveals himself as such by sitting in the temple of God, claiming that he is God.

2Thessalonians2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

No, that is what Paul surmised in a Letter to the Thessalonians, like Daniel he was npt in the know on those things, he took Jesus words in Matthew 24:15-16 and wrongly interpreted them.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand} (Notice it says STAND, so it is not a person standing, but an IMAGE created that STANDS in the holy place)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Paul was writing letters, not "Thus Saith the Lord Prophetic Utterances. Of course like we are doing here, with each other, we are giving interpretations, and many people on here are wrong, lots of times. Paul gave them his thoughts on what that statement meant. In Rev. 13 some 25-30 years later, John tells us what Jesus/Holy Spirit told him about this, that the False Prophet gets the people (the 2/3 Jews who do not repent) to create am image unto this man the E.U. President IMHO, whom John was told was the last Beast. The 2nd Beast (False Prophet, Jewish High Priest as was Jason under Antiochus) makes the Image at the 1290 (1230) and the AC can not go forth conquering until the 1260 (1260) middle of the week which is 30 days later. As a young Christian it never made sense to me why God allowed the AC to conquer Israel, then told them to flee Judea. But when one understands the AoD is the 2nd Beast, a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason, then it all fits........He forbids Jesus Worship in "his temple" (takes away THE SACRIFICE) and places the AoD which defiles the temple, which means God had to have cleansed the temple, it was defiled when Jesus died, God rent the temple or forsook Israel.

The TIMING FITS when you read Zech. 13:8-9, the 1/3 repent then in the very next vs. in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives. In Malachi 4:5-6 we see Elijah is sent back [just] BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord. So, Israel repents via the 1335 Blessing (2 Witnesses) and thus the temple is cleansed by the 1/3 Jews going to "their temple" to Worship their Messiah Jesus. The False Prophet High Priest hates this and uses his connections with the E.U. Gov. to impose restrictions on Jesus worship for some made up reason, and he then will place an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the temple at the 1290, this gives the Jews 30 days to flee Judea before the AC goes forth conquering at the 1260 middle of the week events (DOTL).

John and Daniel were given the Prophesies, Paul was called to convert the Gentile Nations.

The Jews are looking for their messiah (someone they believe as other than Jesus).

They ARE NOT looking for a Gentile Messiah, the Beast is a Gentile. The 1/3 repent BEFORE the 1290 and 1260, at the 1335. The 2/3 are probably atheists or Orthodox Jews like the False Prophet.

John 5:43 was fulfilled in 67-70 AD. Jesus was speaking specifically to the Pharisees.

There is no biblical basis that Israel will join the EU. What is you basis for that opinion ?

The covenant to be confirmed in Daniel 9:27 for a 7 year period will be the Mt. Sinai covenant, in the method Moses described in Deuteronomy 31:9-31.

The word Covenant in Hebrew simply means Agreement. The Agreement will be with the AC and in Dan. 7 we see the 10 horns and Rev. 13 we see it has 7 Heads and 10 Horns.

7 = Divine Completion and 10 = Completion. So, the 10 represents the Complete E.U. reunited as one just like in Rome's day. The 10 horns arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head (Rome) as does the 1 Little Horn who arises amidst the 10 = he's born in the E.U. and Dan. 8:9 mandates he must be born in Greece AND Greece is in the E.U.

Israel CURRENTLY has 7 year agreements with the E.U. under the European Neighborhood Policy, look it up. The stated goal of the E.U. is to advance relationships with everyone in the region, the Israel is a signee and so is Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Morocco, Libya and Algeria these are THE MANY of Dan. 9:27, Dan. 8:25 and Dan. 11:40-43. Look it up, its on Wikipedia and elsewhere. Part of the E.U.s stated goals is to maybe one day offer STATEHOOD to some of these nations, to be a part of the E.U. The E.U. currently passes out over 15 Billion Dollars to these nations every 7 years. Now, lets look at Old Rome on a map, and the E.U. + Israel and THE MANY the AC will conquer in Dan. 11:40-43.

Rome in 117 AD

The E.U. as it will look after it conquers Israel and THE MANY in Dan. 11:40-43.

Turkey is not a part of the 7 Year Deals per se, but as Dan. 8:9 shows the Little Horn conquers TOWARDS the East and South or the born in Greece AC conquers from the Northwest, as the E.U. fits that bill also, because Greece is now in the E.U.

See it now? The E.U. + Israel and THE MANY is why the Mortal Wound to the Fourth Beast is HEALED.

 

[Douggg]

No, that is what Paul surmised in a Letter to the Thessalonians, like Daniel he was npt in the know on those things, he took Jesus words in Matthew 24:15-16 and wrongly interpreted them.

Paul was not implying that man of sin's action to sit in the temple was the abomination of desolation.

You are right about the abomination of desolation's position will be that of standing.

What Paul described is what is called in Daniel 8:13 as the transgression of desolation (TOD). A transgression is an act.

Differently, the abomination of desolation (AOD) will be a thing, something "set up" as it says in Daniel 12:11. It will be a statue image of the person once he becomes the beast. The statue is be made in the standing position.

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What is going to happen is that around 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist (likely Satan enters him to influence him into doing the act) is going to go into the temple, sit claim to be God, i.e. claim to have achieved God-hood.

That act will anger God. And in Ezekiel 28:1-10, we can read about what God is going to cause happen. God is going to have strangers assassinate the revealed man of sin for his sitting in the temple act, claiming to be God.

Ezekiel 28:
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

prince of Tyrus is just a code-name for the man of sin. See how in verse 2 it says "thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God" ? That is exactly what the man of sin is going to do as Paul described.

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

So God is going to have the person assassinated. Mortally wounded by a sword, it says in Revelation 13:14.

Next in Isaiah 14:16, the slain man of sin's soul is in the pit being mocked.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

But God does not let him have the honor of being buried in an ornate tomb, verse 18. And returns him back to life in verse 19-20. Because, the person being a Jew, will have done things that destroys his land, Israel, and his people, his fellow Jews.

So the slain man of sin comes back to life (a strong delusion that God will send to them who believed the person's claim of being God - 2Thessalonian2:11).

Once the person become the beast, then false prophet will have a statue image made of him. And the statue image placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation. So there you have it... the transgression of desolation act.....then the assassination..... then brought back to life......then the abomination statue image made of the person - called the beast in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

The word Covenant in Hebrew simply means Agreement. The Agreement will be with the AC and in Dan. 7 we see the 10 horns and Rev. 13 we see it has 7 Heads and 10 Horns.

No, not that simple as meaning Agreement. In Daniel 9:4, Daniel referred to the Mt. Sinai covenant.

4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

So the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant. Required to be confirmed on a 7 years cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

I do agree with you though, that once the person become the beast, his kingdom will be that of the EU. Our main difference is that I am saying the person must go through the stages to get to that point. One of those stages being as the Antichrist - King of Israel, false messiah. For a while, about 3 years.

Once the person becomes the beast, in Revelation 17:17, the ten EU leaders will give their kingdom over to the beast to essentially be dictator of the EU.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[Fisherking]

Paul was not implying that man of sin's action to sit in the temple was the abomination of desolation.

You are right about the abomination of desolation's position will be that of standing.

What Paul described is what is called in Daniel 8:13 as the transgression of desolation (TOD). A transgression is an act.

Paul is referring to Matt. 24:15 and Dan. 9:27. Dan. 8:12-14 is the same event. The 2300 "days" is really 2300 Evening and Mornings or 1150 days.

No, not that simple as meaning Agreement. In Daniel 9:4, Daniel referred to the Mt. Sinai covenant.

The Covenant my friend will be exactly what I explained, Israel will join the E.U. In Dan. 9:4 Daniel was just reminding God of his promise to free Israel after 70 years in Babylon.

So the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant. Required to be confirmed on a 7 years cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

God is not dealing in a Covenant He sees as evil now. Those who trust in the Law over the Promise will not be in God's favor. My time is short tonight, gotta run, have a blessed day/night.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Fisherking]

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Portions 1 & 2

I would say 1 is mostly correct, however, imho, it is also God making the path straight for the Anti-Christ but how so? Well, Russia, Iran and Turkey all lose 5/6 of their Armies and the E.U. helps out Israel, its a planned deception by Satan, when God Destroys those Armies on the holy mount. of God, there is no way 2/3 of Israel would refuse to repent IF they knew God destroyed/killed them, so the E.U. President/Leader or Anti-Christ deceives them into thinking he used a special weapon to kill them, it will give him cred with Israel, thus when invited, Israel will join the E.U. and that kicks everything off, the Rapture happens AND the 70th week begins, God's anger is kindled, Israel just gave away, for all intents and purposes, His land. Soo, yes 2 is close also, the start of the 70th week is exactly on the line, but of course no one would place it ON THE LINE so that is correct imho.

Portion #3

There is no Fake Messianic Name, he's a Gentile King just like the other 6 Beasts were, he never professes to be Jesus come again to the public. Now he may very well lie to those HIDING in the Bosna/Petra area to try to get them to COME OUT of their safe zone, but they have been FOREWARNED in Matt. 24:25-27 that Jesus will only show up in the Eastern Skies for all to see, that way it is not possible to deceive them. So, who is he trying to deceive? He has the 2/3 in his hands, and he will kill all of them, he NEVER CONQUERS anything except the Mediterranean Sea Region, Dan. 11:40-43 describes exactly what he conquers, the WHOKE LAND (not earth) being spoken about in the Prophesy of the 7 Heads and 10 Horns. Each head was a European or Mediterranean (Egypt) Kingdom, the 10 stands for Europe being Rome Completely Reunited. Nowhere in the bible does it ever say he conquers the Whole World, Russia and China will still have Nukes. The USA will also, but the busy body USA Gov. will be hit with the Rev. 8 Asteroid, that is when the AC will strike as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us, he then becomes THE BEAST over Israel and the Whole Mediterranean Sea Region, just as Rome was.

This is what is meant by the WHOLE EARTH, why? Where did the Beasts arise from? The Mediterranean Sea, OF COURSE, so now what is the WHOLE LAND or the WHOLE EARTH mean? Every Square Inch of the Mediterranean Sea Region, not the whole earth. Now lets look at the European Neighborhood Policy map

What does Dan. 11:40-43 say? It says the King of the North (AC) conquers MANY COUNTRIES then Conquers the Pleasant Land (Israel). So, he conquers Turkey as Dan. 8:9 shows him conquering to the East and South, he will conquer Lebanon, Syria and "MOST of Jordan" then Israel, Egypt and Libya, on a map way back, those covered pretty much all of North Africa. He will not be allowed to Conquer Edom, Moab nor Ammon, the Petra/Bozrah region that Israel (the 1/3) flees unto.

Now look at the Map again, The Blue (E.U.) will conquer the Light Blue (Turkey) and the Brown and thus the Mortal Wound has been HEALED, The Beast will have returned, Israel will be under the Assyrians yoke as Isaiah 10 says, his Bloodline is from the Assyrian Kingdom, he will be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this because of the DIRECTIONS he conquers in) and he will be the President of the E.U. so he also must and will fulfill Dan. 7:7-8, God is giving is a COMPOSITE BEAST, which has parts of all the other Beasts in it.

He never claims to be Jesus, you misread John 5:43, Jesus was speaking SPECIFICALLY to the Pharisees as I have told you many times Mr. Douggggg. They put forth false messianic people around 67-70 AD to try and defeat Rome the Furth Beast, they read scriptures, they were not ignorant men, but also they were spiritually ignorant. They could never see between the lines of what God was really saying. So, what was fulfilled in 70 AD you are still hanging your hat on it being future events. Its not, there will be no Gentile whom the Jews accept as their Messiah, its just not going to happen brother Douggg.

The AoD is set up at the 1290, not the 1335 nor the 1260. The 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up, the 1290 happens 45 days later, the False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus) will TAKE AWAY Jesus Worship, not some profane Meat Sacrifice, after the 5 Million (1/3) Jews begin to sing praises to Jesus Christ at the 1335 which happens 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS see in Dan. 11:36-45, so for 45 days God considers the Temple to be cleansed, no PROFANE MEAT SACRIFICE could cleanse it. So, for 45 days it will be cleansed, then DEFILED at the 1290 AoD events by the False Prophet who nit only forbids Jesus Worship in "his temple" but then places an IMAGE of the E.U. President/Beast up in the temple, go Read Rev. 13 it says just that. The Beast AND the Tribulation only begins 30 days later at the 1260 when the DOTL arrives God allows the AC to go forth Conquering, Isaiah 10:5 says the Assyrian (AC) is His INSTRUMENT of Tribulation, go read it. So, this gives the 1/3 who repent 30 days to Flee Judea. This the Great Tribulation can only last 1260 days, Dan. 12 tells us its for a TIME, TIMES and a 1/3 TIME, or 1260 days.

We will chat in heaven brother. I will be very humble in heaven, I will just smile and say, we both are here for eternity brother, that is all that matters. Amen.