Without collaborating evidence, the two genealogies have the same degree of validity in my book.
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Without collaborating evidence, the two genealogies have the same degree of validity in my book.Just playing Devi -ahem- God's advocate here: how do we know that these Sumerian genealogies aren't flawed and the Biblical ones are?
Just in this thread only, I'm a YEC --- pwn me.
Young Earth creationism is the religious belief that Heaven, Earth, and life on Earth were created by a direct act of God dating between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.(SOURCE)
The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years.(SOURCE)
Can I haz cheezburger now?
- There are well over forty different radiometric dating methods, and scores of other methods such as tree rings and ice cores.
- All of the different dating methods agree--they agree a great majority of the time over millions of years of time. Some Christians make it sound like there is a lot of disagreement, but this is not the case. The disagreement in values needed to support the position of young-Earth proponents would require differences in age measured by orders of magnitude (e.g., factors of 10,000, 100,000, a million, or more). The differences actually found in the scientific literature are usually close to the margin of error, usually a few percent, not orders of magnitude!
- Vast amounts of data overwhelmingly favor an old Earth. Several hundred laboratories around the world are active in radiometric dating. Their results consistently agree with an old Earth. Over a thousand papers on radiometric dating were published in scientifically recognized journals in the last year, and hundreds of thousands of dates have been published in the last 50 years. Essentially all of these strongly favor an old Earth.
- Radioactive decay rates have been measured for over sixty years now for many of the decay clocks without any observed changes. And it has been close to a hundred years since the uranium-238 decay rate was first determined.
- Both long-range and short-range dating methods have been successfully verified by dating lavas of historically known ages over a range of several thousand years.
- The mathematics for determining the ages from the observations is relatively simple. (SOURCE)
Charles Lyell who wrote Principles of Geology in 1830 was buried in Westminster Abbey.
Carbon dating....
The Sumerian kings genealogies disproves the Biblical genealogies.
YOU might be a YEC, but why should I follow suit and believe your claims?
Remember that I dismissed the Bible as a credible religious text when I gave up Catholicism, and never held it to be a valid scientific text.
Can I haz cheezburger now?
You're confusing the Bible and God, which is idolatry as I said in my first post.
God's creation itself is one step closer to God than the Bible (at least one step). God's creation takes precedence over the Bible surely?
I don't need Charles Lyell. I just need what the Master Geologist had to say on the subject of Geology:
[bible]Luke 19:40[/bible]
Now if the stones cannot "cry out" to geologists the following message:
[bible]Luke 19:38[/bible]
Then insofar as Charles Lyell's geology disagrees with Jesus' geology --- Charles Lyell's geology can take a hike.
So, you'll only discuss geology with talking rocks?
God, Who cannot lie, wrote the Bible in the first place.
And He gave us, in writing, what He expects us to believe and not believe; and is, in fact, going to judge us from It.
To reinterpret It in a manner that caters to scientific paradigms that outright contradict It, is in fact, a form of science worship.
God's creation is, in fact, hostile (but obedient) to God and His Word.
No --- the Sumerians came from Nimrod, who was Noah's great grandson.
I see's a pattern here.
You just discard everything you don't care/are afraid to acknowledge as being in contrast with your YEC beliefs.
Someone should compile a list of everything you've said can take a hike. LOL.
"God against man. Man against God. Man against nature. Nature against man. Nature against God. God against nature. Very funny religion!" -- D. T. Suzuki
Actually, I'm not --- I'm just a YEC wannabe; but I don't think I can properly defend that position. Not yet, anyway.
Add to the fact that I'm KJVO, sola Scriptura, and antagonistic toward secular science in general, I'd say you guys have an uphill battle.
And before anyone faults me for it, keep in mind that you guys are also the very same thing with your "bibles."
Actually, GrayCat, I'm not even a YEC, and to be honest, I don't feel that I'm in my right element. In fact, I could be doing a disservice to true YECs here, and giving them a bad name.
(I wish one would speak up.)
It's time to get back to Embedded Age.
Both Noah and Nimrod can take a hike.
Well, if the Sumerians where descendants of Noah, then the Flood was not 4,400 years ago.No --- the Sumerians came from Nimrod, who was Noah's great grandson.
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