Ten arguments for intelligent design

variant · Jul 16, 2019

rockytopva said:
Behold the result of turning mass to E/C2 and the E/C2 back to mass... What you see is the incredible light and energy that went into the atom to begin with. In that the speed of light is squared is a huge number in the denominator that defines the energy within mass indicates the great energy that exists within creation.

You're turning it into E, measured in joules.

Try to listen a bit.

Dividing by things makes them smaller not larger. E is the mass removed by that process multiplied by C twice.

rockytopva · Jul 16, 2019

variant said:
You're turning it into E, measured in joules.

Try to listen a bit.

Dividing by things makes them smaller not larger. E is the mass multiplied by C twice.

“To the illuminated mind the whole world burns and sparkles with light." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

We can look a the formula and conclude that all mass is basically light and energy. When the sun gives her output of energy and light it does not spit out mathematical formulas but actual energy and light. When a soul is on fire it does not spit out mathematical formulas but actual warmth, motivation, zeal, love, joy, enthusiasm, etc. Only when a mind is on fire does it spit out mathematical calculations.

Calculating E = mc^2 for any object tells you how much energy would result if the entire object disappeared. Which as c is squared results in incredible energy, which also emits light in the reaction. 1 kg of matter, any matter, disassociated, yields 9 x 10^16 joules of energy, or 90,000,000,000,000,000 joules, which also includes light.

variant · Jul 16, 2019

rockytopva said:
We can look a the formula and conclude that all mass is basically light and energy.

No mass IS energy. The speed of light is a conversion factor between the two.

Energy in this equation is clearly marked as E. Just E.

Light given off by nuclear reactions is still part of E.

rockytopva · Jul 16, 2019

variant said:
No mass IS energy. The speed of light is a conversion factor between the two.

There is a reason why they use the speed of light squared, and that is because light is wrapped up in the equation as well as the atom. Designed there by....

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - James 1:17

As we get better at designing lights we are getting the same light with less energy. The lighting is getting cooler to the touch as the technology improves. But.... It is not possible to get light without energy because of the E=mc2 equation. But it is possible to get the same light with less energy.

variant · Jul 16, 2019

rockytopva said:
There is a reason why they use the speed of light squared, and that is because light is wrapped up in the equation as well as the atom. Designed there by....

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - James 1:17

I don't care all that much about your philosophy, I am just trying to clear up how you are presenting the things that are actually part of science.

E is E, which represents all of it. You don't have to divide it by C twice to get all the energy on one side of the equation.

As we get better at designing lights we are getting the same light with less energy. The lighting is getting cooler to the touch as the technology improves. But.... It is not possible to get light without energy because of the E=mc2 equation. But it is possible to get the same light with less energy.

We can make lighting more efficient yes, but, no it's not part of a discussion of this particular equation as far as I am aware.

rockytopva · Jul 16, 2019

rockytopva said:
“To the illuminated mind the whole world burns and sparkles with light." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

We can look a the formula and conclude that all mass is basically light and energy. When the sun gives her output of energy and light it does not spit out mathematical formulas but actual energy and light. When a soul is on fire it does not spit out mathematical formulas but actual warmth, motivation, zeal, love, joy, enthusiasm, etc. Only when a mind is on fire does it spit out mathematical calculations.

Calculating E = mc^2 for any object tells you how much energy would result if the entire object disappeared. Which as c is squared results in incredible energy, which also emits light in the reaction. 1 kg of matter, any matter, disassociated, yields 9 x 10^16 joules of energy, or 90,000,000,000,000,000 joules, which also includes light.

"Someday, after we have mastered the winds, the waves, the tide and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, Then, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire." -Teilhard De Chardin

And, I believe it will be even clearer why the c2 is in the E=Mc2 equation.

rockytopva · Jul 17, 2019

Behold!

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. - Hebrews 5:14

And...

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. - 2 Timothy 1:12

I have experienced God through the senses. For me there is no other option but to continue to sharpen those senses to experience more. As far as the atheist input on this thread I can thank you guys for the good laugh...

ruthiesea · Jul 17, 2019

rockytopva said:
The realities of the effects of biology and chemistry are too great for anything otherwise. Just in the human eye there are millions of things that occur that suggest intelligent design.

Not really. The evolution of the eye can be followed through modern animals.

rockytopva · Jul 18, 2019

I began this thread on a whim, or a sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained. There is also the mystery of bacteria, which there are armies trillions times trillions of here on earth.

1. Good bacteria - In the digestive system
2. Bad bacteria - The kind that makes sick
3. Fresh water - Must stay moving to regulate the amount of bacteria in it
4. Salt water - Must maintain its briny nature and pH

Salt water kills bacteria. However, there are bacteria that survive it that can become flesh eating bacteria and can do a lot of harm. Salt water creatures such as whales also have microbial (probiotics) in the stomach and enzymatic (chemical changes) to assist in the digestion of the food. Maintaining a pH as low as 5 and probiotics in a briny environment is an incredible endeavor in a briny solution such as salt water.

But, the body must know the difference between the good and the bad and make a war on the bad bacteria before it does the flesh much harm. Tim Richmond was a great stock car racer. Sex with the wrong woman introduced the wrong bacteria in his system and he died a very early age. There are also bacteria that grows on the body. The African word for funk is foot odor and is the result of bacteria growing on the body. I can imagine the oceans of crude oil that exist in the earth is a result of bacteria turning organics into something useful to we human beings.

All of this is good study in biology, which I can only speak of generalities. But... I cannot believe the balance of chemistry and biology was put here other than of intelligent design and a whole lot had to be considered before her design.

rockytopva · Jul 18, 2019

I must say here that I was once an atheist and do not have harsh words for the atheist here. I also know that all the arguments presented would have been met at one time with the same skepticism on my part.

I was born on a Marine Corp base and was hauled all over before arriving in Michigan as a young lad. My mother used to make me go to one of those dry denominational churches that to me was as agonizing as the George Clark Rankin story told here (The Life of George Clark Rankin). I used to wonder while looking out on the cold Michigan tundra what was more dead and lifeless, the wintry scene or the church I was in. I used to smoke cigarettes and wonder while being in below zero conditions how there could be a God in such surroundings. I used to try to get on my motorcycle early enough to miss church but would see my mother driving around the lake trying to look me up for church.

A God encounter was what was needed for me to come to faith in Christ and in creation. And my God encounter was similar to the George Clark Rankin story told here (The Life of George Clark Rankin). And was also similar to the conversion of the Apostle Paul in that it was unlooked for. And in the words of George Clark Rankin, and I am sure the Apostle Paul, the day my revelation of Christ on a spiritual level...

"Was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life." - The Life of George Clark Rankin

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. - Luke 10:22

It took a God encounter on the spiritual level for me, George Clark Rankin, the Apostle Paul, and many others to come to Christ, and I expect the same encounter for the atheist here will be required for them to come to faith in creationism and of Christ.

rockytopva · Jul 18, 2019

Yttrium said:
Well, I think we've firmly established now that the purpose of this thread isn't to discuss science.

Anything I would of said would have been refuted.

Yttrium · Jul 18, 2019

rockytopva said:
Anything I would of said would have been refuted.

Well, it's disappointing, because you left us hanging after the title said something about intelligent design. You pointed out that life is complex, and we agree.

:shrug:

stevil · Jul 18, 2019

rockytopva said:
It took a God encounter on the spiritual level for me, George Clark Rankin, the Apostle Paul, and many others to come to Christ, and I expect the same encounter for the atheist here will be required for them to come to faith in creationism and of Christ.

As I understand it, there are millions of Christians that believe in Christ and also accept the ToE.
You don't have to deny evidence (science) in order to be a Christian.

Strathos · Jul 18, 2019

stevil said:
As I understand it, there are millions of Christians that believe in Christ and also accept the ToE.
You don't have to deny evidence (science) in order to be a Christian.

The problem is that many people on both the Christian and atheist side believe in the false dichotomy of either evolution or God.

Subduction Zone · Jul 18, 2019

Strathos said:
The problem is that many people on both the Christian and atheist side believe in the false dichotomy of either evolution or God.

I have seen very few if any atheists make that claim. Can you name some?

But I have seen far too many creationists try to tell God how he made his universe. Quite ironic when one thinks of it that way.

Strathos · Jul 18, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I have seen very few if any atheists make that claim. Can you name some?

But I have seen far too many creationists try to tell God how he made his universe. Quite ironic when one thinks of it that way.

Any evolution debate between a Christian and an atheist will inevitably deteriorate into a 'does God exist' debate.

Subduction Zone · Jul 19, 2019

Strathos said:
Any evolution debate between a Christian and an atheist will inevitably deteriorate into a 'does God exist' debate.

You are mistaken. Often it is the creationist's version of God that is refuted but that does not mean that all versions of God are refuted. The problem is that most creationists make the error of thinking that their personal version of God is the only version, therefore they think disproving their version of God is proving that "God does not exist".

stevil · Jul 19, 2019

Strathos said:
The problem is that many people on both the Christian and atheist side believe in the false dichotomy of either evolution or God.

Yeah, perhaps. I don't know.

My own disbelief in gods doesn't have anything to do with evolution. If evolution were proven false then it would be a great mystery on how we have such diverse creatures which are fit for their environment, a mystery worthy of scientific inquiry.

But, I personally wouldn't jump to a conclusion that some invisible intelligent consciousness made of "nothing" must have designed and created all the life forms (fully formed).

I can understand, before the scientific method came about, and with human tendency towards anthropopathic explanations that it were once upon a time natural for us to come to a conclusion of creator gods. I think it is great that we want to explain why things are they way they are.

But anyway, that's just me. I'm also happy with a situation of "Don't know".
But as far as evolution goes, there is just so much evidence in support of it. You have to have a very strong ulterior motive to deny its veracity.
I think if religious folk didn't see it as a threat to their belief in their god then they would embrace ToE and the science and evidence backing it up.

rockytopva · Jul 19, 2019

The symmetrical spider web. Put there by a creature with the brain the size of a grain of sand. Another argument for intelligent design!

Yttrium · Jul 19, 2019

Yeah, spiders are pretty intelligent for their size, and some species can be very good designers.

I walked by one web a few minutes ago that was just a jumbled mess. That spider needs to take lessons from the web in the picture.

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