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temple destroyed??

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It was rebuilt later, but it was completely and utterly destroyed by the Roman legions - I'm pretty sure about that, but I'll go ahead and look it up again just to make sure that I'm not mistaken. I guess that I could pm you with the information, I don't have my history book with me at the moment.
 
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Hi Gwyyn,

All of the stones of the temple and the temple buildings were thrown down in AD70, as the prophecy states.

The "Wailing Wall" is not the temple, nor is it one of the buildings of the temple. It is a part of what used to be called the Western Wall. Jesus declared that the temple and it's buildings would be razed to the ground and not one stone of them would be left upon another, and this happened exactly as He declared it by 70AD (Mark 13:2; Matt 24:1).

Not only that, but almost every building in the city was thrown down as well, and their foundations dug up (except for a few towers that were left to serve as witnesses of Jerusalem's destruction) . The Jewish Talmud even records that Titus had the very foundations of the Temple removed and ploughed up with a ploughshare. And despite all of this, yet many Christians still cannot see how Matt 24:1 and Mark 13:2 were fulfilled by the destruction of Jerusalem, even though all of it happened within Jesus' Disciples generation!(Matt 24:34)

*The destruction of the Temple in 70AD is insignificant and "minor" only to Christians who are unfamiliar with the history and the events surrounding it.

Hi Aggie,

The Bible does not say that Christ came back in 70AD because the NT scriptures were all written before 70AD. Specific dates are not given, but specific signs are, such as Jerusalem being "surrounded by armies"(Luke 21:20), and the destruction of the Temple that Jesus pointed to in Matt 24:1. All these things took place by 70AD, within "this generation", just like Christ said.

Hope this helps understand where preterists are coming from.

In Christ,

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I'm sorry to tell y'all...but the Western wall is/was has never been a part of the temple...I could and probably should explain but you probably would not beleive me.........talk about automated...i don't mean this rudely like yourselves, but do you know how long I've been hearing that "they" are rebuilding a temple as we speak...

GTX

Do you take the events of the decade of the 30's AD minor as well...because it is obvious they are connected by Jesus' words...but since you don't believe that the temple was utterly destroyed in 70 AD then you won't believe that..."this generation shall not pass" "all of this will come upon this generation"...
 
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Originally posted by GTX
Parts of the temple still stand and is being rebuilt as we speak. When the temple is completely rebuilt Christ will return. The events of 70 AD are minor and do not represent Christs return.

Lemme get this straight......
your contention is that the Temple will be rebuilt/is being rebuilt, just so it can be completely destroyed, therefore fulfilling the prophesy that you believe remains unfulfilled: "no stone left upon another"?

Thats a heck of a tapdance.
Perhaps you could explain who is going to destroy Jerusalem?
My understanding of the futurist view (having spent the bulk of my Christian life as a futurist), is that Jesus saves Jerusalem & the temple from destruction.

How exactly do you "automate" that oxymoron?
 
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Originally posted by aggie03
I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says that Christ came back in 70 AD, so I agree with you.

What do you do when your Bible doesn't tell you Jesus came in 5-2BC?? throw away your Bible?? Mine doesn't even give a date for His Resurrection -but that it was the first day of the week -yet I believe. [where's your logic?]

davo
 
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The western wall is not part of the temple, afaik.
The temple that was destroyed in 70AD, is where the dome of the rock is, or in that proximity. It is actually believed that it was next to where the dome now stands.

The problem is that the temple being destroyed has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation. According to the later chapters of Ezekiel and in Revelation there will be a third temple in which the abomination of desolation will occur.
 
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Hi all!

Lessee here, try <http://templeinstitute.org/main.html> for an orthodox Jewish view on the Temple, the Temple Mount, etc.

The Western Wall was not part of the Second Temple per se; rather, it was a retaining wall built by Herod to hold up the western side of the Temple Mount. The Wall runs the entire length of the western side of the Temple Mount, parts of it under the built-up areas of the Moslem Quarter of the Old City.

Please don't call it the "Wailing Wall." It got that name from the post Bar Kochba Rebellion (132-136 CE) Roman practice of letting Jews into Jerusalem only on the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av (see <http://www.jewfaq.org/holidayd.htm>) & charging us a fortune to let us weep over the destroyed Temple. We don't weep for anyone anymore; the name is demeaning to us. The proper name & the one that we prefer is "Western Wall."

Questions?

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A "new temple" is being built, but it is not made of stones and mortar.

Ephes. 2:11-22 (ESV)
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— [12] remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [13] But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [14] For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility [15] by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, [16] and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. [17] And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. [18] For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. [19] So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [20] built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, [21] in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. [22] In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

1 Cor. 3:16-17 (ESV)
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Keep longing for the Old Temple, Old Jerusalem and the Old Covenant all you want. As for me, I'll take the New Temple, New Jerusalem and the New Covenant over stones and mortar, filthy streets and the blood of goats any day of the week.
 
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Mandy,

So you admit that the temple that Jesus was talking about was destroyed in 70 A.D....To me (when I was a dispensationalist was half the battle...) now it's on to figure out if the verses following are referring to the events leading up to it's destruction including the abomination of desolation that included or at least had to do with (as Luke described) Israel being surrounded by armies as described in your history books in the first century...
 
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Mandy, please explain this to me...I understand that they are two seperate events...but the timing of them are put together by the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies yes...Let's see, the destruction occured after Jerusalem was surrounded by armies(you've admitted this) and the Bible also correlates the abomination of desolation to THAT time when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies as well...hmmmm...seems to me they are connected...
 
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