http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjLxRaAFuQM
This quote comes from a poster from the Hollywood protest on Prop 8.
What is interesting is that the poster, as I have heard others here say, is that Prop 8 does not discriminate, because it would have to target a specific group.
It doesn't, because it simply states that marriage is only between one man and one woman.
However, it is deceitful to say that it then does not affect a specific group, namely, gay couples. In voting Yes, it threaten to "unmarry" gay couples that are legally married. In stating that marriage only includes one man and one woman, it excludes people of the same sex.
If I said, "A voter is defined as a white man or white woman", and claim that it isn't targeting nonwhite people, but rather, simply defining voter, and has no words against anyone, I am not being truthful. It saying what something is, one is implying what it is not, and that targets a specific group.
The poster further says that "marriage is between a man and a woman, regardless of their sex." According to the poster, who seems to think marriage is sacred, whether the couple is gay or straight does not matter at all to him, as long as they are opposite sex.
The last false logic is to say that no straight couple can marry someone of the same sex either. Straight people wouldn't want to. That's like making Hinduism the one and only language people are allowed to worship. When you say, "that's not fair," I say, "Look, I'm Hindu, but I have the same rights as you. I can't be a Christian either (even though I never would be.)" As a Christian, you would see it as unfair. As a Hindu, because it doesn't affect me personally, I could claim that I am under the same constraints, but I grant myself the religion that I want to worship, while not granting it to you, and then claiming that we are equally oppressed. It's simply not true, and is obvious to the person whose rights are violated.
It claims that the same limitations are on heterosexuals, who can marry whether it's Yes or No on Prop 8, while homosexuals are prevented from marrying, if voted Yes.
Why, in arguing this issue, is there so much lying and deceit, and clearly false logic?
If this is truly a moral issue, why the need for deceit?
Why the need to claim that churches may be forced to perform gay marriages, when they aren't forced to perform them for atheists, or even church members that they clergy cannot in good conscious marry (even heterosexual ones.)?
Why is simply saying that gay marriage exists, or that gay people exists, is the same as condoning it, promoting it, or pushing an agenda?
Why is it that what parents want is their kids to be ignorant of the truth, that gay people exist, that they can marry (at least in Canada), that there is such a thing as orientation? Why would someone want to, instead, promote ignorance? Why would someone want to promote intolerance of those who are different? Why would someone oppose Gay Tolerance, knowing that gay students are often on the receiving end of violence toward them, stemming from being raised by heterosexual parents who instill those values?
This quote comes from a poster from the Hollywood protest on Prop 8.
What is interesting is that the poster, as I have heard others here say, is that Prop 8 does not discriminate, because it would have to target a specific group.
It doesn't, because it simply states that marriage is only between one man and one woman.
However, it is deceitful to say that it then does not affect a specific group, namely, gay couples. In voting Yes, it threaten to "unmarry" gay couples that are legally married. In stating that marriage only includes one man and one woman, it excludes people of the same sex.
If I said, "A voter is defined as a white man or white woman", and claim that it isn't targeting nonwhite people, but rather, simply defining voter, and has no words against anyone, I am not being truthful. It saying what something is, one is implying what it is not, and that targets a specific group.
The poster further says that "marriage is between a man and a woman, regardless of their sex." According to the poster, who seems to think marriage is sacred, whether the couple is gay or straight does not matter at all to him, as long as they are opposite sex.
The last false logic is to say that no straight couple can marry someone of the same sex either. Straight people wouldn't want to. That's like making Hinduism the one and only language people are allowed to worship. When you say, "that's not fair," I say, "Look, I'm Hindu, but I have the same rights as you. I can't be a Christian either (even though I never would be.)" As a Christian, you would see it as unfair. As a Hindu, because it doesn't affect me personally, I could claim that I am under the same constraints, but I grant myself the religion that I want to worship, while not granting it to you, and then claiming that we are equally oppressed. It's simply not true, and is obvious to the person whose rights are violated.
It claims that the same limitations are on heterosexuals, who can marry whether it's Yes or No on Prop 8, while homosexuals are prevented from marrying, if voted Yes.
Why, in arguing this issue, is there so much lying and deceit, and clearly false logic?
If this is truly a moral issue, why the need for deceit?
Why the need to claim that churches may be forced to perform gay marriages, when they aren't forced to perform them for atheists, or even church members that they clergy cannot in good conscious marry (even heterosexual ones.)?
Why is simply saying that gay marriage exists, or that gay people exists, is the same as condoning it, promoting it, or pushing an agenda?
Why is it that what parents want is their kids to be ignorant of the truth, that gay people exist, that they can marry (at least in Canada), that there is such a thing as orientation? Why would someone want to, instead, promote ignorance? Why would someone want to promote intolerance of those who are different? Why would someone oppose Gay Tolerance, knowing that gay students are often on the receiving end of violence toward them, stemming from being raised by heterosexual parents who instill those values?
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