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Finney a man with a passion to see mankind saved.
The call to salvation is an appeal and Finney was among the great soul winners of his day, with a heart and passion kin to that of Paul the apostle. These three Utube videos are in defense of Finney against sloppy so called scholarship, miss quotes and miss representation of this Godly man.
Hmmmm. Out of curiosity, I did a little research online about this individual. Apparently Billy Graham has spoken highly of him, as did Jerry Falwell and many others. From what I can tell, he seems to have been very successful in reaching souls for Jesus Christ.
I also noted several critical articles, which I read. The authors seem to speak favorably of Calvinist views, but are very critical of Finney.
Bottom line? This man believed he had a calling from God. He devoted his life to reaching people for Jesus Christ. Many, many people responded to his appeals by accepting Christ as Savior. No doubt he had his shortcomings. I also doubt that I would agree with all his theology.
Yet, he won many people to Christ, and called them to holy living. I would say, praise God for such a ministry! I recall reading in Corinthians about the problems in that church--yet Paul calls them saints. Paul also seems to warn against a critical, fault-finding spirit. Then we should recognize and appreciate the great work this man did for God, and be silent about his perceived faults. All that is in God's hands, Who alone knows the truth. And let us treat him, and speak of him, as we would lke to be treated and spoken of.
Finney a man with a passion to see mankind saved.
The call to salvation is an appeal and Finney was among the great soul winners of his day, with a heart and passion kin to that of Paul the apostle. These three Utube videos are in defense of Finney against sloppy so called scholarship, miss quotes and miss representation of this Godly man.
Finney Part 1: YouTube - Charles Finney and Decisional Regeneration part 1
Finney Part 2: YouTube - Charles Finney and Decisional Regeneration part 2
Finney Part 3: YouTube - Charles Finney and Decisional Regeneration part 3
Unexpectedly to myself they asked me if I received the Confession of faith of the Presbyterian church. I had not examined it;—that is, the large work, containing the Catechisms and Presbyterian Confession. This had made no part of my study. I replied that I received it for substance of doctrine, so far as I understood it. But I spoke in a way that plainly implied, I think, that I did not pretend to know much about it. However, I answered honestly, as I understood it at the time [Charles Finney, The Memoirs of Charles Finney: The Complete Restored Text (Grand Rapids: Academie, 1989), 53-54].
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]"Whenever he sins, he must, for the time being, cease to be holy. This is self-evident. Whenever he sins, he must be condemned; he must incur the penalty of the law of God ... If it be said that the precept is still binding upon him, but that with respect to the Christian, the penalty is forever set aside, or abrogated, I reply, that to abrogate the penalty is to repeal the precept, for a precept without penalty is no law. It is only counsel or advice. The Christian, therefore, is justified no longer than he obeys, and must be condemned when he disobeys or Antinomianism is true ... In these respects, then, the sinning Christian and the unconverted sinner are upon precisely the same ground "[/FONT]
"If he [Christ] had obeyed the Law as our substitute, then why should our own return to personal obedience be insisted upon as a sine qua non of our salvation"
The atonement would present to creatures the highest possible motives to virtue. Example is the highest moral influence that can be exerted ... If the benevolence manifested in the atonement does not subdue the selfishness of sinners, their case is hopeless
assumes that the atonement was a literal payment of a debt, which we have seen does not consist with the nature of the atonement ... It is true, that the atonement, of itself, does not secure the salvation of any one
"regeneration consists in the sinner changing his ultimate choice, intention, preference; or in changing from selfishness to love or benevolence," as moved by the moral influence of Christ’s moving example..."Original sin, physical regeneration, and all their kindred and resulting dogmas, are alike subversive of the gospel, and repulsive to the human intelligence".
But for sinners to be forensically pronounced just, is impossible and absurd... As we shall see, there are many conditions, while there is but one ground, of the justification of sinners ... As has already been said, there can be no justification in a legal or forensic sense, but upon the ground of universal, perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law. This is of course denied by those who hold that gospel justification, or the justification of penitent sinners, is of the nature of a forensic or judicial justification. They hold to the legal maxim that what a man does by another he does by himself, and therefore the law regards Christ’s obedience as ours, on the ground that he obeyed for us...The doctrine of imputed righteousness, or that Christ’s obedience to the law was accounted as our obedience, is founded on a most false and nonsensical assumption. (After all, Christ’s righteousness) "could do no more than justify himself. It can never be imputed to us ... it was naturally impossible, then, for him to obey in our behalf "
Deacon Dean, you assume a lot of things.
Unexpectedly to myself they asked me if I received the Confession of faith of the Presbyterian church. I had not examined it;—that is, the large work, containing the Catechisms and Presbyterian Confession. This had made no part of my study. I replied that I received it for substance of doctrine, so far as I understood it. But I spoke in a way that plainly implied, I think, that I did not pretend to know much about it. However, I answered honestly, as I understood it at the time [Charles Finney, The Memoirs of Charles Finney: The Complete Restored Text (Grand Rapids: Academie, 1989), 53-54].
Your apology is noted, and thank you for it .
Scolarship demands a higher standard. Mr. White messed up.
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